Cabin RIB developments - Page 9

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 19:33

IMHO you only need to worry about CE marking in the event of an Insurance claim. The insurance companies couldn't give a damn when you take out a policy, after all it is up to the policyholder to ensure that the boat complies. The problem arises when the Insurance Co need an excuse not to pay out.

There was an incident in Poole a year or so ago involving a large claim for personal injury in a boat. The first thing the Ins Co asked to see were the CE certificate and the manufacturers max hp reccomendations.

Unfortunately, in law ignorance is not an excuse.

The actual policing of the rcd is handled by the local trading standards officer, I wonder how much knowledge they have?

Manos · 15 January 2003, 19:38

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Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
IMHO you only need to worry about CE marking in the event of an Insurance claim.

But I think they should also excercise due diligence in making sure your boat is CE certified and cat b or c or what have you.

I do not dispute what you say Dirk but if we assume that the insurance wants you to have a CE mark then what happens in cae you had an older boat built in 1980s without a CE mark. Isn't that boat covered in case of an accident?? Just a question.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:41

My point exactly.

The insurance companies are happy if we all over insure as they have more money swilling about for there eventual payout.

Thats when thay will have a good close look into the value of you vessel and hp and CE marking.Thay dont want to loose all the buisness they already got so they keep quite about it.Untill the day you make a claim.Its your responsibility to make sure your boat is used for its intended purpose and it complies with all the rules.

They then become real knoledgable on the subject.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:43

Manos In come your surveyors on this one,check any reports for small print.You may find they have limited your Range and use?

Manos · 15 January 2003, 19:46

This is exactly the point. The navigational limits are ste. There is nothing in the small print.
I use to work for a P&I club (doing cargo calims when I was younger and I know the legal staff). So had a look and there is no mention anywhere about CE certificate or markings.
Is all a bit confusing. Better to have the insurance because you have to and pray not to have an accident LOLOL

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:52

You will find out when you renew you policies and have to get the surveys done.
Its a problem in my view,all these supposed proffesionals making big bucks out of us boat owners,Thats the way its gone..

Im of the belief they are in the main usually frustrated ex boat owners who get sea sick and have no boat any more, therfore they see us as easy pickings

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 19:59

The CE regs came into force in june 98, craft built and placed on the market prior to that date don't have to conform.

In simple terms you could buy a 21 sportsboat with twin 200hp outboards in May of that year, but a month later it would only be available with a single.

You can of course insure an old boat, anything built by a reputable company would be known to the insurance company, obscure makes and homebuilt would probably require some sort of survey.

Isn't there a Boat Safety Scheme for craft over 4 years old that want to use the UK inland waterways. Maybe there is something similar for Coastal craft.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 20:02

Crazyhorse (or should I say "secret squirrell") did I read correctly somewhere that your hull is being built in Canada? and if so why, is the labour cheeper there? who is the designer of the hull? when will it be finnished? is it coming back to the UK?

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 20:10

jon thanks for your interest.

The boat will be here in about 8 months time.The build in Canada has nothing to do with costs as its real expensive.Its to do with Quality.

Manos · 15 January 2003, 20:18

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Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Isn't there a Boat Safety Scheme for craft over 4 years old that want to use the UK inland waterways. Maybe there is something similar for Coastal craft.

I suppose so. I'll ask around

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 20:19

The big changes for RCD happened in October 2002 re stability criteria.Some builders brought craft out into the market real quick so they could get them passed with a B CE mark so that they can used Offshore withought having to pass these new rules and standardes.

I did not want this as we wanted the best stability criteria we coud get, so we are judged against the new rules of iso 12217 standardes.Im happy as i believe in putting everything you can in your favour.but it just costs you a fortune.

If your boat is Old B ce mark eg pre Oct 2002 then I am of the opinion that when the surveyors meet up with it in the future then the problems with restrictions may be placed on the craft and this could affect its resale value.

Who knows you have to jump in at some time.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 21:42

Crazyhorse,
I see, what material is it being built in? is it fully welded, part weld/rivett, and who is the designer?

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 21:50

Why do you ask that?

What do you know about aluminum then?

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 22:06

Crazyhorse,
Don't be so defensive! I'm only interested, I've had some experience with ally race boats, so the construction is something I can relate to, and of course the designer may be someone i've never heard of, but you never know! obviously it's a planing hull, but that's all we all know at this stage, what type of planing hull would you describe it as?

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 22:12

Im not being defensive,

Im just that Im interested in your experiances of ali

The designers live over 7000 miles away so your unlikley to know them personaly.

You mentioned your friend builds boats and they jointly got the rcd ce markes together,Which company is that and what are there boats

They dont specialise in mass produced boats.

its a deep V 26 degrees aprox.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 22:18

Crazyhorse,
My word, that really is deep!, is that the deadrise at the transom?
does it have a constant deadrise or does it have any warp in it? lots of forefoot or only a little?
so is the designer well known?

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 22:26

The designers are not well known in the U.K or Europe but are highly respected in there own country.

Its warped and the figures are aprox give or take a few degrees?

Thats at the transom I think?

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 22:29

Crazyhorse,
it wasn't me who said that, I think it was dirk, however I do know personaly a few boatbuilders of ribs and sportsboats, namely Phantom boats, extreme marine, ring powercraft, cougar, hunton these chaps build sportsboats, also phantom evolution and mark pascoe ltd who both build high performance ribs

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 22:34

Yep I understand but have to say that none of the above build offshore cabin ali ribs.

Its a specialist market.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 22:41

I dont want to upset you Jon but this raceing and speed thing puts me to sleep.

I am looking at cruising real slow and enjoying the scenary.

Thats what Im all about not buzzing about for half a day and then paying over a big lump of money at the end of it.

I like my comfort and enjoy cruising and different places.Not bothered how long it takes within reason.