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Old 13 December 2010, 19:00   #21
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Well it all worries me....

More and more reliance on charities to do what in essence is a government responsibility to look after our coasts....
They won't be replaced by charities - they will be private contractors. Don't get them mixed up with the Air Ambulances etc, who are mostly all charities (I think).

Looking on the bright side, if the RNLI wasn't a charity, they would have had to suffer the cuts as well......
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I've never heard the Royal Bank of Scotland described as that...
A-har, very good.
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We have just had South Today news tell us it is anticipated 500 jobs will go and 18 stations down to 9 and only three of them are going to be 24hrs a day.

I guess volunteer groups could be busier and needing more money to run
A bit of a nightmare really,

Putting considerable additional pressure on small units.

also the CG's do ambulance taskings as well....
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They won't be replaced by charities - they will be private contractors. Don't get them mixed up with the Air Ambulances etc, who are mostly all charities (I think).

Looking on the bright side, if the RNLI wasn't a charity, they would have had to suffer the cuts as well......
Agreed, re the charities, i was thinking about the mobile units that patrol and do the shore obs.
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Looking on the bright side, if the RNLI wasn't a charity, they would have had to suffer the cuts as well......

Maybe the RNLI will take over the MCA too !!!
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Maybe the RNLI will take over the MCA too !!!
Don't give them ideas!!!!
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Dont forget in some areas there is the National coastwatch charity that do a lot of good work in some areas with regards to keeping a look out/ watch .
utilising some of the look out towers and old buildings that the MCA left behind when they closed down the local ones and moved to the larger sectors
http://www.nci.org.uk/.
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Maybe the RNLI will take over the MCA too !!!
Grape vine is the tendered for the SAR contract but didn't get it - I can see a conflict of interest if they went for the MRSC one - should it come up.

Any one that has been lifted by Solent or Portland in the last year or so has been lifted by CHC birds. It will mean a 24 hour service with the most up to date kit and electronics that a pilot can have to hand.

I also have no issues with the MRSC plans - if I take the personnel out of my mind as I grew up with half the Portland team

AN MRSC is a call centre. People with a knowledge of the sea trained to use specific equipment - this could be handled anywhere - with the Fire Control plans to join up different counties then this isn't a surprise. If you'e in the brown stuff do you really care if it's a local MRSC or one 200 miles away that answers and sends assistance.

Answers is the key word.

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CHC Helicopters, through the Soteria consortium, is now working with UK government to negotiate the final details of the contract prior to signature. The contract will commence in 2012.

While CHC Helicopters is not yet actively recruiting for positions within the new SAR group, we are happy for you to express interest in the upcoming opportunities. The roles that may be available include Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, Pilots, Winch Operators, Winchmen, various support and business leadership roles. If you are interested, please apply online, providing your resume and an overview of the area that would be of interest to you.

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AN MRSC is a call centre. People with a knowledge of the sea trained to use specific equipment - this could be handled anywhere - with the Fire Control plans to join up different counties then this isn't a surprise. If you'e in the brown stuff do you really care if it's a local MRSC or one 200 miles away that answers and sends assistance.
I'd prefer a local one that has knowledge of the sea and knowledge of the area that they provide cover for!
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I'd prefer a local one that has knowledge of the sea and knowledge of the area that they provide cover for!
I would second that too
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I'd prefer a local one that has knowledge of the sea and knowledge of the area that they provide cover for!
Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
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Latest on the news is they will have only 3 x 24hr stations and only 5 stations running daylight hours!!! ( I guess there must be a belief emergencies only occur during daylight)
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So whats that .. 18 stations down to 8 ?

Who makes this sh*t up ?
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Latest on the news is they will have only 3 x 24hr stations and only 5 stations running daylight hours!!! ( I guess there must be a belief emergencies only occur during daylight)
Or more likely they've looked at the typical workloads on the stations and they are much busier during daylight hours - afterall most of what they do is not responding to Maydays. Interesting that they say daylight for the other stations though... does that mean the second scottish MRCC will be open about 20 hours in June and only 6 in December?
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Lee on Solent and Portland are to close and a new Southampton based office will open. Thats what our south coast MCA will look like
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In the Government's plan, there will be three 24-hour operational centres - at Aberdeen, in the Southampton/Portsmouth area and at Dover. In addition, there will be five sub-centres open during daylight hours - at Swansea, at Falmouth in Cornwall, at Bridlington (Humber) in Yorkshire and at either Belfast or Liverpool and at either Stornoway or Shetland.
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I quite like the thought of being rescued in an Sikorsky S92s if they all look like this!!

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S what happens if I sink at night and want to shout Humber, do have to wait till daylight?
If I bang some flares up who will coordinate the search?
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S what happens if I sink at night and want to shout Humber, do have to wait till daylight?
no you call Humber CG and its answered by either Aberdeen or Dover. The same thing already happens in the event of major technical problems at any of the stations, they all switch over to each other. The CG have done this (I think it was a fire at one of their stations?) and people calling would probably be unaware they were talking to someone much further away than they expected. I believe this is standard practice across all emergency service "call centres" - e.g. the Scottish Ambulance Service has had to divert calls to Belfast and Newcastle during a problem with the telephone exchage - callers were essentially unaware.
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If I bang some flares up who will coordinate the search?
Whichever MRCC is responsible for your area and if appropriate they task a local volunteer CG rescue team as their eyes on the shore, just the same as if someone in Oban spots a flare tonight, it will be managed by the MRCC on the Clyde.

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Hopefully the new Solent MRCC will be built on the old Daedulas site, near to the helo hangar and look a little like the planning applications already submitted.

Just hope the don't loose the wealth of experience and knowledge currently held by the watches already there.

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http://www.gosport.gov.uk/gbcplannin....aspx?ID=17819

http://www.gosport.gov.uk/PlanningTe...q05upt5ymw.pdf

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