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28 June 2013, 21:00
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Correct chemical for hypalon
Just wondering, can I use cellulose thinners to clean t fabric as I find it very hard to get toluene here in Ireland . None of t glue suppliers seem to have or 501 and it can't be shipped from t UK , celloluse thinners contains toluene and xylene any ideas thanks
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28 June 2013, 21:07
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Acetone would be more the thing I would think, should be readily available as well.
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28 June 2013, 21:58
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It certainly cleans Hypalon, because I've used it. It cleans off a fair bit of colour too! I'd try a bit on the underside of a tube and see what you think.
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28 June 2013, 22:09
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It certainly cleans Hypalon, because I've used it. It cleans off a fair bit of colour too! I'd try a bit on the underside of a tube and see what you think.
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Thinners is ok but not in excess just a damp cloth and don't hold it on just wipe across then use 501 to protect and wash the tubes with fairy washing up liquid ( there are other brands as well ) after use
But as you say try a small bit 1 st
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28 June 2013, 22:14
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Whats up with your toobs? Is it just a clean? if so I would start with Fairy Power spray
Or try TFR
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28 June 2013, 22:44
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Sorry guys just preparing tubes for glue,fitting wear patches, all t pointers point to toluene so I m looking for alternatives thanks
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28 June 2013, 22:47
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Sorry guys just preparing tubes for glue,fitting wear patches, all t pointers point to toluene so I m looking for alternatives thanks
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Can you get mek? Acetone is a good bet
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28 June 2013, 22:58
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Thanks whisper, Can get Mek, thought that was only for pvc though. Can also get acetone are they as good as toluene.
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28 June 2013, 23:17
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Not all cellulose thinners has the same composition. Some variations:
- Xylene, Butyl Glycol, Dichloromethane
- Ethanol, Butyl acetates
- MEK, Ethanol, Butanol, Methyl Isobutyl Ketone
- Toluene, Acetone, MEK, Ethyl Acetate
and probably various others and combinations of the above
traditionally I think it was just Toluene and Xylene but something (H&S, cost, quality?) seems to have introduced options. Would have thought you could get it at a spray paint supplier - but never tried. If I was desperate and had thinners I was sure was just toluene and xylene I would use that.
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28 June 2013, 23:27
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Thanks whisper, Can get Mek, thought that was only for pvc though. Can also get acetone are they as good as toluene.
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I was told by a rib repair company that pvc and hypalon chemicals are very similar and not worth buying both if you have one or the other
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28 June 2013, 23:36
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MEK, available from any plastic pipework suppliers. Pipeline Center, BSS, Glynwedd, Stokplas, etc.
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29 June 2013, 07:28
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Have you tried agricultural dealers?
I get Gun cleaner for washing out spray guns from our local place £15 a gallon.
I think its re-distilled volatiles from re-cycled paint. mainly toluene and xylene according to the MSDS sheet.
can be used as thinners too for agricultural paints where rolls royce quality finish isn't needed.
Its in unbranded cans but comes from sparex or tecaloy i think.
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29 June 2013, 08:25
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I once used some cellulose thinners to clean up an old hypalon zodiac that had faded in the sun
It cleaned it up ok just using a rag but don't rub too hard as on the 2 nd clean a few months later it started to go deep and take the top layer off so just beware if its got a few years on it .
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29 June 2013, 23:20
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well got t mek and the thinners and spent t afternoon gluing, mek seems to dry off faster and leaves no smell on t fabric like t thinners does, anyhow all patches on, 2 top wear patches and 1 on t bottom of each tube where t cone meets tube meets fiberglass so fingers crossed all be ok, I ll let it sit now for a week I suppose to give it t best chance, thanks all
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