Diesel ribs price fall imminent?

Lostboy · 07 December 2006, 13:45

After the EU announce that we can't have cheap red anymore?

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=24338

Pete7 · 07 December 2006, 14:32

Hmm, not sure you are suddenly going to see diesel rib prices collapse more likely to see lot of them coded as commerical vessels instead. Also since there is no processes in place or fuel tanks for white it might take a while to sort out.

Copy of the communication here:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...6_0743en01.pdf

Reading it, looks like the Council just gave the Government a big slap across the face and didn't believe a word they wrote in support of the Red stuff.

Jersey might be a popular stop off point next year though

Pete

LURCHER · 07 December 2006, 14:51

Pete
Being a sage on all matters red can you clarify a point .
Is red diesel being banned from use or just no longer available to leisure users?
I have several thousand litres at home which I plan to move to any diesel boat in smelly jerry cans . Can I expect a pull from HMC if I do ?

Pete7 · 07 December 2006, 14:59

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Originally Posted by LURCHER

Pete
Being a sage on all matters red can you clarify a point .
Is red diesel being banned from use or just no longer available to leisure users?
I have several thousand litres at home which I plan to move to any diesel boat in smelly jerry cans . Can I expect a pull from HMC if I do ?

I can't find anything on how its going to work, so its going to take time. Like you I did fill up Old Spice before taking her out of the water so its going to take a while to use up that fuel. Its on a marina fuel account so I can easily prove when the fuel was bought and the quantity.

Oh and the decision to buy a petrol guzzling cabin cruiser 24 hours before the announcement against red diesel doesn't mean I have any inside information at all, honestly

Pete

codprawn · 07 December 2006, 15:44

Considering Britain has the dearest diesel in the World it is going to seriously hurt British boaters and the whole industry.

Policing it will be a nightmare as well which is why Customs were against it. Some boats have huge tanks and it can last years - fill up with white diesel and there will still be plenty of red at the bottom of the tank and lining the filters etc.

No doubt someone will moor a fuel barge in international waters - also Guernsey will do very well.

wavecrosschris · 07 December 2006, 15:52

quote from this linked article below:

However the EC does leave the UK the option of creating a separate taxation rate for marine leisure fuel, which could see marine leisure diesel costs raised, but not doubled. Whether or not the Government would be interested in such a measure is not known now

bet you they double it

http://www.mby.com/auto/newsdesk/200...53mbynews.html

MarkWildey · 08 December 2006, 09:13

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Considering Britain has the dearest diesel in the World it is going to seriously hurt British boaters and the whole industry.

Always found France more expensive than the UK.

Pete7 · 08 December 2006, 09:30

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Originally Posted by MarkWildey

Always found France more expensive than the UK.

That was our experience this summer too, 1.07 Euro at a petrol station, 1.22 Euro in the marina.

Pete

codprawn · 08 December 2006, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Pete7

That was our experience this summer too, 1.07 Euro at a petrol station, 1.22 Euro in the marina.

Pete

That is £0.72 per litre - it was £0.95 here at the time!!!

Pete7 · 08 December 2006, 13:41

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Originally Posted by codprawn

That is £0.72 per litre - it was £0.95 here at the time!!!

Exactly, 83ppl in a marina plus the cost of the currency conversion on the credit card, not cheap however it was white and didn't seem to smoke quite as badly as our Red coal bunker stuff in this country.

Pete

Nos4r2 · 08 December 2006, 17:19

Hmm.

Someone is wondering:- What would the effects of running on Kerosene/cheap 2 stroke oil mix be?
The idea of mixing the cheapo 2 stroke oil in would be to counter the reduced lubrication that kero would provide for the diesel pump.

codprawn · 08 December 2006, 17:37

Apparently it works very well indeed - in many countries winter diesel is actually mainly Kero anyway. What you need to restore the lube properties is 5% Rapeseed oil - cheaper than 2 stroke - also great as chain lube for your chainsaw - a lot cheaper than the proper stuff and better for the environment as well.

Problem you have is that it is now dyed yellow and has chemical traces in it so you may as well stick with red - if they catch you it will be illegal either way - I suppose - depends on what sort of laws they bring in.

alt · 08 December 2006, 18:00

Will Kerosene burn your valve seals due to a lower lighting point or something? A mechanic told me this, advised me not to use Kerosene in my diesel engine. He know's more about engines than me so I took his advise

Nos4r2 · 08 December 2006, 18:06

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Problem you have is that it is now dyed yellow and has chemical traces in it so you may as well stick with red - if they catch you it will be illegal either way - I suppose - depends on what sort of laws they bring in.

I wonder quite what the legal standpoint is? It's not legal for use as road fuel-but guess what... it's not going on the road...

Pete7 · 08 December 2006, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Hmm. Someone is wondering:- What would the effects of running on Kerosene/cheap 2 stroke oil mix be?
The idea of mixing the cheapo 2 stroke oil in would be to counter the reduced lubrication that kero would provide for the diesel pump.

Hmm interesting idea, what we need is someone who does lots of miles with a big diesel at this time of year to give it a try, do you know of anyone?

Pete

Nos4r2 · 08 December 2006, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Pete7

Hmm interesting idea, what we need is someone who does lots of miles with a big diesel at this time of year to give it a try, do you know of anyone?

Pete

Yep but my boss would have a fit if I was running his truck on illegal kero

codprawn · 08 December 2006, 18:15

Many military forces now have a single fuel policy - they use kero in everything from hummers to tanks and helicopters. The only time they found problems was in really hot countries like the gulf so now they use additives to provide extra lubrication.

JP8 by the way is 99.8% kero

"One of the more significant and comprehensive tests of JP8 was a field demonstration conducted at Fort Bliss, Texas, from October 1988 through July 1991. This field demonstration involved about 2,800 diesel-powered vehicles and pieces of equipment that consumed over 4.7 million gallons of JP8. The demonstration proved successful: no catastrophic failures were attributed to JP8. In fact, no major differences in procurement costs, fuel consumption, oil change intervals, or component replacements were identified when compared to historical data for the same fleet of vehicles and equipment using diesel fuel"

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...7/ai_n15648548

codprawn · 08 December 2006, 18:16

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Originally Posted by alt

Will Kerosene burn your valve seals due to a lower lighting point or something? A mechanic told me this, advised me not to use Kerosene in my diesel engine. He know's more about engines than me so I took his advise

Nope load of crap!!!

Pete7 · 08 December 2006, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Yep but my boss would have a fit if I was running his truck on illegal kero

Hmm okay how about this then, 54 pence per litre and spend more than £5 and they delivery to your home/boat/caravan etc

Pete

codprawn · 08 December 2006, 18:40

Wouldn't fancy running it neat - too thick - you need preheating and all sorts - mixed up to about 40% would prob be ok - you can also chuck some white spirit or petrol in to thin it out - diesels will run on any old crap!!!