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12 August 2010, 17:55
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Country: UK - England
Town: isles of scilly
Boat name: Still Miss behavin
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 250 suzuki
Join Date: Dec 2003
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dilemma over trim tabs
hi all ..hoping someone may have some advice or experience on trim tabs
i have a 6.8m ribcraft with a central midships console and 4 individual jockey seats with double a frame and a suzuki df 250 as a lump on the back.
as you can imagine she is stern heavy and in rough seas will drop back into troughs lifting the bow and on occasions causing quite an uncomfortable ride.
i am wondering if fitting tabs would stop the sterns tendancy to fall down keeping the boat flatter and also to reduce the amount of wash she generates at slower semi plane/displacement speeds...?
tab sites suggest having due to the tightness of the transom narrow tabs that are quite deep ...almost square....
also is it worth having adjustable trim tabs or plumping for the fixed "dampened" ones..??
thanks for any thoughts
pete
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12 August 2010, 20:05
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Make: HumberOceanOffshore
Length: 8m +
Engine: Volvo KAD300/DPX
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Pete, get adjustable tabs they will enhance your boat. Do a search, it's well documented on Ribnet. One comment, my own opinion, they need to protrude from the rear of the boat a fair distance... So long and narrow backwards not the more common narrow along the length of the hull V.
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12 August 2010, 20:44
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Boat Lake Geneva
Boat name: Lark
Make: Capelli Cap 32 WA
Length: 10m +
Engine: Yamaha 250x2
MMSI: 235096621
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Hi, get adjustable ones, but they are more. I have a set of 'damped tabs' called smart tabs. They do work but they are pretty average.
Pays your money etc etc................
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14 August 2010, 12:12
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: east cowes
Make: academic
Length: no boat
Engine: fresh air
MMSI: N/A
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will trim tabs improve performance? As in giving the hull the attributes of a longer one.
Nick.
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14 August 2010, 12:15
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Make: HumberOceanOffshore
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Yes, they will.
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14 August 2010, 14:28
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Town: east cowes
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And are they prone to damage if you do a lot of stern first landings?
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14 August 2010, 14:47
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Country: UK - England
Town: Gloucestershire
Boat name: Osprey
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-tec 300 G2
MMSI: TBC
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Tabs
I just went through the whole tab fitting experience and you can find more here....
http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...ight=trim+tabs
An excellent addition to my boat IMHO, however I did not fit the tabs to correct any particular issues with the boat it already ran extremely well and had none of the issues that you are experiencing due to weight distribution.
I am sure the tabs will help you improve the comfort when heading into the rough stuff however I would also be looking at what can be done to improve the handling of the boat without the tabs. Perhaps more weight in the bow? are all your seats and console bonded in or could they be moved forward without a complete rebuild?
a 250 on the back of a 6.8 sounds like a lot of power and it sounds like you will not be able to use it anyway in anything but flat calm, would it be worth looking to trade the engine in for a more lightweight unit?
Do you have any pics of the boat?
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14 August 2010, 18:26
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Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda BF50
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Originally Posted by Chris
a 250 on the back of a 6.8 sounds like a lot....
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Thinking about it, this rig sounds like an exercise in arse burying.
In my limited experience of Ribcraft boats (Roycruse' 585), some of the hulls can be a tad bow light. To add to that, you've got all the gear a midships or aft of and you've got a heavy 4st 250 on only 6.8m of hull length.
A pic would be interesting.
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14 August 2010, 21:04
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: isles of scilly
Boat name: Still Miss behavin
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 250 suzuki
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i will try and get a picture on here if i can work it out...
bear with me..
yes it is a lump on the back but at rest the tubes dont actually touch the water unlike some ribs.
she was originally a inshore safety boat for ocean rowers.
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14 August 2010, 21:36
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Town: Glasgow
Boat name: stramash
Make: Tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 90
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Originally Posted by behavin
i will try and get a picture on here if i can work it out...
bear with me..
yes it is a lump on the back but at rest the tubes dont actually touch the water unlike some ribs.
she was originally a inshore safety boat for ocean rowers.
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I hope they didnt need a tow home
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14 August 2010, 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmuz7
i hope they didnt need a tow home
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14 August 2010, 21:45
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: isles of scilly
Boat name: Still Miss behavin
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 250 suzuki
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14 August 2010, 22:19
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Town: Southampton
Boat name: SMH Rib / War Shot
Make: Ribtec / Scorpion
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100hp Yam/150hp opt
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Bow tank
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14 August 2010, 22:21
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Bow tank
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A pretty tricky thing to retro-fit.
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14 August 2010, 22:24
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Wtf fella ? looked ok when I saw it ?
Maybe I'm just too easy going
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14 August 2010, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Bigmuz7
Wtf fella ? looked ok when I saw it ?
Maybe I'm just too easy going
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I still think that the extended edit time is a mistake.
It's like having an argument with your wife. Doesn't matter what she said. It's what she said she said that counts.
Still, look at the fun we had yesterday with it
Bilged in record time
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14 August 2010, 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7
Wtf fella ? looked ok when I saw it ?
Maybe I'm just too easy going
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I got scared, RC bashing, fatwas etc.
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14 August 2010, 22:50
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I got scared, RC bashing, fatwas ets.
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It's OK, she's over on the Cardiac Surgery forum, empathising...
puk puk puk! pukaaaaah, puk puk puk!
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14 August 2010, 22:52
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Member
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Town: isles of scilly
Boat name: Still Miss behavin
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 250 suzuki
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14 August 2010, 22:55
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Town: Glasgow
Boat name: stramash
Make: Tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollers
I got scared, RC bashing, fatwas etc.
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YIK
Its a tough job though damned if you do and all that
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