DON'T support the RNLI . . . - Page 7

Simon Hawkins · 03 October 2006, 11:17

As a crew member of Cowes Inshore Lifeboat the stats that have been provided are actually less than ours. On average the RNLI have launched per staion 41 times per year.

I have no knocks with the RNLI and am part of the sea safety team. However I cant really see what the argument is with independent lifeboats. Lets look at the Solent for example and the population of boats. Their are simply too many to be covered by the RNLI and that is why the Coastgurad has split the solent into areas where each rescue boat has its patrol and gets tasked too in an emergency.

With regards to funding we just as the RNLI do soley rely on contributions from the public, and have our own fund raising campaign, and certainly cannot have any lottery grants.

I think perhaps you should stop knocking the independents as one day especially if you are in the solent you may need one, having said that you may also need the RNLI

Simon

pressman · 03 October 2006, 12:03

During Cowes Week one year there was so many incidents that saw the RNLI's boats and all independent units tasked with further incidents being stacked according to priority !!

Simon Hawkins · 03 October 2006, 12:15

May I just add aswell. When all hell lets lose their is no distinction between the RNLI and Private as we work together to get a job done. Lifeboat people are that way inclined and it realy doesnt matter what boat they are on.

Pete7 · 03 October 2006, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Coach

IMHO.. You Sir, are an idiot!

Dear Mr Coach,
interesting way to introduce yourself to the forum, without John there would be no Ribnet (or even the dark side). I do however wish you a warm welcome and hope your stay on Ribnet will be long and fruitfull, though somehow I doubt it.

Pete

Simon B · 03 October 2006, 15:58

I had no idea JK had been knighted way to go Forameister, salutations for this bodacious recognition of services to the Oggin. So how much did you have to give Tony for it?

AndyB007 · 03 October 2006, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Lostboy

.... The college is a superb facility for training and generates revenue that would otherwise have to come through the collecting tin, fundraisers, subscription, legacies etc. It also happens to save a phenomenal amount of money on accommodation ....

and it will prove to be a very astute investment if times were to get really hard!

Andy

pressman · 03 October 2006, 17:11

The trouble is they are doing so much coporate stuff, that many times lifeboat crews on courses are still being put up in alternative accomodation

Simon B · 03 October 2006, 17:49

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Originally Posted by pressman

The trouble is they are doing so much coporate stuff, that many times lifeboat crews on courses are still being put up in alternative accomodation

That'd grate a bit, I be off to the Humber again sometime soon to renew our launch key for the year with Humber Rescue which is our way of donating to them, there are more independants than one might at first think.

codprawn · 03 October 2006, 20:38

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Originally Posted by pressman

The trouble is they are doing so much coporate stuff, that many times lifeboat crews on courses are still being put up in alternative accomodation

That's my worry - the RNLI is turning into a big corporate business - I wonder how long before they are offering fare paying thrill rides???

Jono Garton · 03 October 2006, 20:40

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Originally Posted by pressman

The trouble is they are doing so much coporate stuff, that many times lifeboat crews on courses are still being put up in alternative accomodation

As a RNLI crew member I have not experianced this at all. Sun - Fri its all training accomodtion.

Jono

pressman · 03 October 2006, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Jono Garton

As a RNLI crew member I have not experianced this at all. Sun - Fri its all training accomodtion.

Jono

I certainly have done and so have many others i know around the coast

Coach · 04 October 2006, 05:20

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Originally Posted by pressman

I certainly have done and so have many others i know around the coast

Can you prove this and give details?

Nos4r2 · 04 October 2006, 06:02

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Originally Posted by Coach

Can you prove this and give details?

What are you? A copper or the Thought Police?

pressman · 04 October 2006, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Coach

Can you prove this and give details?

Yes i could thankyou

pressman · 04 October 2006, 08:35

If you look at my profile you will see that i am ex RNLI. I was a Cox/Mechanic and resigned 1 month ago. I cannot enter into any further discussion.....YET!!

John Kennett · 04 October 2006, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Coach

John,
I went back and read your post completely over and over again before I decided to wade in and IMHO...
You Sir, are an idiot!

Too kind. Welcome to RIBnet!

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How could you give a title "DON'T support the RNLI" you should have said ... Your independants need some cash, after you give to the RNLI can you give any you have left to the independants.

No. I want to encourage a limited group of people to give their money to the independents INSTEAD of to the RNLI.

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And where you get the information that the RNLI is well funded

The RNLI is extraordinarily well funded. By contrast, the independents aren't.

If we could get a couple of hundred people to divert their contributions from the RNLI to the independent sector it would have zero impact on the RNLI, and be of disproportionate benefit to the independents and hence to the boating public that they serve.

I'm not attacking the RNLI and I haven't said a bad word about them. There are simply other places where your money could make more difference.

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The way you speak you would think that all 233 stations were fitted out with all the latest gear and gadgets, if that were the case why are there not 233 Tamar class lifeboats on every station?
You talk big but don't really know what you are talking about really do you, it's easy quoting stats from the RNLI website and turning them into spin for your own benefit. But you dont mention that the RNLI running costs are high because its a 24x7 365 day operation. You don't mention that all ALB stations require full time staff ie mechanic. You don't mention the other costs incurred by the RNLI where suppliers rip off the charity because people like you think it can afford it. I get a better discount from marine suppliers than the RNLI does. If the RNLI always get the best gear why do they get issued with Musto instead of Gill.
What about Beach Lifeguards and Sea Safety that all comes out of the ops budget and they are volunteers.
Then you have logistics and spares, how much do you think it costs to 233 stations on service 24x7 with vessels ready to go at a moments notice to be honest I really don't think you have a clue and I think you started this emotive thread in order to expand your ego and not the funds of the independants.

You seem to be carrying a lot of anger with you. Have you had a bad experience with a rescue service? Are you involved with the RNLI? Have you thought about getting some counselling?

John

PS Thanks for revitalising this very important discussion which has been dormant for a year.

EDDO · 04 October 2006, 12:28

Have you thought about getting some counselling?

Ed

eyeye · 04 October 2006, 12:29

Eyeye

The Garrfish · 04 October 2006, 12:34

What are you? A copper or the Thought Police?
:-)

Jono Garton · 05 October 2006, 09:20

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Originally Posted by pressman

If you look at my profile you will see that i am ex RNLI. I was a Cox/Mechanic and resigned 1 month ago. I cannot enter into any further discussion.....YET!!

in reply from The Lifboat College for a midweek enquiry-

Hi Jonathan

Sadly members are not usually able to use the facilities at the Lifeboat College during the week as we have crew in training from Sunday to Friday. It is probably best to give us a call near to when you require a room and see on the off chance that a room is available.

Kind regards

The Reception Team
The Lifeboat College
West Quay Road
Poole
Dorset
BH15 1HZ