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10 February 2005, 20:17
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Town: Hants
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Ensigns and burgees
We have a 4.8m RIB with an A frame (thanks to Olly). What are the rules on ensigns and burgees re size and location? We have just bought a new nav light on a pole to fly the ensign, but I don't know how big it should be for that size of boat. Also we are members of the RNSA and RMSA and also our marina (once we've sorted out the berth) and our burgees are in the post. Any ideas????? We want to look the part, but don't want to over-do it either.
Thanks,
Kathy and Izzy
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10 February 2005, 20:25
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Country: UK - England
Town: Cowes
Boat name: Tabby Cat
Make: Halmatic
Length: 7m +
Engine: 2 x Yamaha 115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bollyfish
We have a 4.8m RIB with an A frame (thanks to Olly). What are the rules on ensigns and burgees re size and location? We have just bought a new nav light on a pole to fly the ensign, but I don't know how big it should be for that size of boat. Also we are members of the RNSA and RMSA and also our marina (once we've sorted out the berth) and our burgees are in the post. Any ideas????? We want to look the part, but don't want to over-do it either.
Thanks,
Kathy and Izzy
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Their is no size restriction on ensigns, but be careful that it does not block sight of the Navigation lights. Also you will not be allowed to fly a Blue ensign unless you were or are connected with the armed forces. One other point to remeber is if you have any large flags to ensure that these do not trail near the propellor for obvious reasons, yes I have seen it done.
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10 February 2005, 20:50
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Town: Reading
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And don't forget the most important one - the RIBnet burgee! PM Cookee if you want to buy one.
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10 February 2005, 20:58
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Country: UK - England
Town: New Forest
Boat name: Charlie Brown
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: 275 Verado
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Originally Posted by Simon Hawkins
Their is no size restriction on ensigns, but be careful that it does not block sight of the Navigation lights. Also you will not be allowed to fly a Blue ensign unless you were or are connected with the armed forces. One other point to remeber is if you have any large flags to ensure that these do not trail near the propellor for obvious reasons, yes I have seen it done.
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Not strictly true about the Blue ensign and armed forces. if you are a member of a club that has a royal warrent to fly a blue ensign they its allowed.
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10 February 2005, 21:54
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Zippy. Can agree with that but thought it went outside of the scope of the question.
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10 February 2005, 21:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Hawkins
Zippy. Can agree with that but thought it went outside of the scope of the question.
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Point taken. i think flying an ensign and or burgee should be encouraged. as a former sailor where tradition is everything we were frowned on if the ensign wasnt up at dawn and down at dusk. (Racing excluded of course)
Think im right in saying officially burgees should be flown starboard side of the mast. not sure how this equates to ribs and A frames but then we are not a clickie as some sailors!
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10 February 2005, 22:17
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RIBnet Burgee on starboard, St George on Portside and Scull & Crossbones on the mast head. I'm also planning on a Figurehead as well.
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10 February 2005, 22:37
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Town: Cowes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zippy
Think im right in saying officially burgees should be flown starboard side of the mast. not sure how this equates to ribs and A frames but then we are not a clickie as some sailors!
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Zippy
From my former days of sailing, you are correct in saying you fly the burgee on the starbourd side of the mast just under the cross trees, therefore the same principle would apply to non masted boats, the starboard side.
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10 February 2005, 22:44
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Town: Hants
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Thanks very much for the advice. Just for the record, we are both connected to the Armed Forces and are members of the Royal Navy Sailing Association and the Royal Marines Sailing Association. That coupled with registration on the SSR and you can fly a blue ensign ......as long as you're over 7m LOA .....which we're not! Gutted! Thanks very much guys!
Louise - I'm on the case of the RIBnet burgee too (why not?!) . All we need now is some bunting and Andy's figurehead idea and we'll be on our way!!
Thanks,
Kathy
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10 February 2005, 23:43
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
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Length: 4m +
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Where and what?
Club burgees starboard side.
Most senior club burgee above others if flying more than one (RNSA at top of course!).
If flying a blue ensign (can't as under 7m or 2 GRT must get bigger boat) must also fly appropriate club burgee and have warrant on board.
Signal flags port side.
Ensign can go on centreline or starboard side but generally below burgees.
House flag (family crest etc.) can go at masthead above all others.
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11 February 2005, 03:18
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: Southampton
Boat name: DynaMoHumm/ SRV/deja
Make: Avon8.4, 5.4 & 4.777
Length: 8m +
Engine: Cat3126 Yam 90 &70
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I am thinking of having a burgee made up for my Avon which says something along the lines of 'my other boats a Scorpion'
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11 February 2005, 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Searider
Club burgees starboard side.
Most senior club burgee above others if flying more than one (RNSA at top of course!).
If flying a blue ensign (can't as under 7m or 2 GRT must get bigger boat) must also fly appropriate club burgee and have warrant on board.
Signal flags port side.
Ensign can go on centreline or starboard side but generally below burgees.
House flag (family crest etc.) can go at masthead above all others.
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Skull and Crossbone on the Mast head light pole.
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11 February 2005, 23:05
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Town: london
Boat name: Frances May
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Length: 4m +
Engine: mercury 50 hp
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they do look the dog bits
heres mine
DAN TD5
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14 February 2005, 10:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hightower
RIBnet Burgee on starboard, St George on Portside and Scull & Crossbones on the mast head. I'm also planning on a Figurehead as well.
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Its actually against the law to fly a skull and crossbones on a boat.
Chris
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14 February 2005, 14:08
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They can come and arrest me, guilty as charged ma lord!!
If they can waste good old tax payers money on chasing motorists eating apples, then imagine what the Newspaper headlines would say about this......Bring it on!
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14 February 2005, 14:36
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I dont think anybody has been nicked on that one for a while!
Can't still get hanged for killing a swan or something!
When I`ve been on windermere the swans get so close it feels like they'll have your fingers off.
I was teaching sailing up there once and a girl did get bitten/nipped. She was balling the place down so it must have hurt.
Chris
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