Fastrack One day Level 2

Jono Garton · 13 March 2005, 19:56

Hi All

Beware of schools offering 1 day Fastrack Level 2 Courses I have seen these advertised in several places today.

A level 2 is a two day course. You can do a Direct Assesement but this is not a course simply a Test.

The Jackeens · 14 March 2005, 06:59

Thanks for that info Jono

Us

tim griffin · 14 March 2005, 12:10

Have you told the RYA about this Jono as they will come down hard on schools offering this.

David Hickman · 15 March 2005, 21:48

Has anyone on here actually done one of these fast rack courses?
It would be interesting to see 3 beginners doing the level 2 in a day.

Perhaps the start time is 0100 in the morning and they finish at 2330 at night???

Biggles · 15 March 2005, 23:31

Whilst Jono seems interested by these courses being done in one day can he answer the following?

a) How long is this course supposed to be ?

b) How long is his course ?

c) How long is his VHF GMDSS Course ?

I await his reply.

Regards Nick R.

codprawn · 16 March 2005, 01:47

Not forgetting that people like Steve Curtiss have to take this course before they are allowed to take people on the water!!!!

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 08:42

It is possible to do a level 2 in one day BUT only on a 1 to 1 basis. What are the student instructor ratios of these fast track courses, anyone know?

Cookee · 16 March 2005, 08:46

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Not forgetting that people like Steve Curtiss have to take this course before they are allowed to take people on the water!!!!

Not sure what you mean - how does a level 2 allow you to "take people on the water"

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Cookee

Not sure what you mean - how does a level 2 allow you to "take people on the water"

A level 2 ticket can be commercially endorsed with the addition of a sea survival course and a medical for the carriage of fare paying passengers.

John Kennett · 16 March 2005, 09:02

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Not forgetting that people like Steve Curtiss have to take this course before they are allowed to take people on the water!!!!

No one has to do a Level II course do do anything.

If you have the requisite experience and knowledge you can be quickly assessed by an instructor and get your Level II certificate that way.

As Jono said in his first post, "you can do a Direct Assesement but this is not a course simply a Test"

John

tim griffin · 16 March 2005, 09:03

I think he wrote about it in Sports boat and rib , somethink like he had to have his ticket to satisfy the insurers of SBSwhen he took people out on his boat, he did his course with Peter White and said it was fun.

Its a few of issues back and i can't find it but if someone has the mag maybe they could post an extract from it.

Cookee · 16 March 2005, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Swifty

A level 2 ticket can be commercially endorsed with the addition of a sea survival course and a medical for the carriage of fare paying passengers.

Thank you Swifty - I thought that they were stopping the Advanced from being comercially endorsable this year, so what would a level 2 get you? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

As a comercially endorsed Yachtmaster, and a Boatmaster it seems my qualifications are over the top, or are there a lot of restrictions with this "Ticket"?

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 09:17

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Originally Posted by John Kennett

No one has to do a Level II course do do anything.

If you have the requisite experience and knowledge you can be quickly assessed by an instructor and get your Level II certificate that way.

As Jono said in his first post, "you can do a Direct Assesement but this is not a course simply a Test"

John

Absolutely right John. But as an instructor I have to satisfy myself that after I sign a ticket that they meet the requirements of the RYA 2, Namely CAN... UNDERSTANDS... and has a KNOWLEDGE OF...
It takes a minimum of a half day to go through the candidates abilities.

By signing a ticket It shows I have examined this person and deem them competant to operate a boat but not skilled.

John Kennett · 16 March 2005, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Swifty

Absolutely right John. But as an instructor I have to satisfy myself that after I sign a ticket that they meet the requirements of the RYA 2, Namely CAN... UNDERSTANDS... and has a KNOWLEDGE OF...

As an instructor I understand that.

Which bit of my post are you disagreeing with?

John

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Cookee

Thank you Swifty - I thought that they were stopping the Advanced from being comercially endorsable this year, so what would a level 2 get you? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

As a comercially endorsed Yachtmaster, and a Boatmaster it seems my qualifications are over the top, or are there a lot of restrictions with this "Ticket"?

Yo Cookee,
No they are not stopping the endorsements, but to align with europe, to get a ticket endorsed you now have to sit a theory exam in addition. ...I believe. I haven't had any dealings with this yet as it only came in during January.

As regards restrictions, I have a comm/end. advanced and It says
" valid for commercial use on vessels subject to the codes of practice issued by the MCA until..."
So not very specific. But from memory its upto 24 metres loa. I may take a troll through the MCA site and refresh my memory.

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 09:30

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Originally Posted by John Kennett

As an instructor I understand that.

Which bit of my post are you disagreeing with?

John

None of it

I was reinforcing the point that a direct assesment still means going through the course, except the information goes in the opposite direction! and is not a walk over.

Tim'mers.

Paul Glatzel · 16 March 2005, 09:57

Cookee - Commercially Endorsed Level 2 is acceptable for Skippers under Local Authority Coding in the Solent (& probably other places), & Cat 6 (& possibly Cat 5, can't remember but there's a thread under the commercial section on it) MCA coding

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to get a ticket endorsed you now have to sit a theory exam in addition. ...I believe

Nope! Not in addition. You can do Advanced Exam without doing the advanced however having it reduces the entry requirements see here -

http://www.powerboat-training-uk.co....ndorsement.htm

Direct assessment. Typically these take 3 hours but this allows for a bit of training to 'refine' the odd area if it is a bit rusty. Could undertake longer direct assessments if relevant but realistically if someone requires more time they should do the entire course as they would benefit from it.

1 to 1 Level 2 in 1 day is not acceptable and the RYA (Jon Mendez) are keen to hear of anyone offering this.

Paul

Swifty · 16 March 2005, 10:03

Thankyou Paul for clarifying that.

Tim'mers.

keytouch · 16 March 2005, 14:20

So having to do an exam for the commercial endorsement is just another way for the rya to grab more money from people. typical.

Cookee · 16 March 2005, 14:23

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Originally Posted by keytouch

So having to do an exam for the commercial endorsement is just another way for the rya to grab more money from people. typical.

And how do you propose that the fare paying public are protected from know nothing cowboys with no qualifications in leaky rustbuckets then?