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31 March 2010, 16:31
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G.r.p. A frame
G.R.P. A FRAME
Any ideas the forum may have
thinking now on an A frame just to hold
Navigation lights
Anchor light
Ariel
Gps receiver
Radar reflector.
I would like to make it in glass fiber .I have seen a few on some overseas ribs.
any comments welcome.
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31 March 2010, 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonar
G.R.P. A FRAME
Any ideas the forum may have
thinking now on an A frame just to hold
Navigation lights
Anchor light
Ariel
Gps receiver
Radar reflector.
I would like to make it in glass fiber .I have seen a few on some overseas ribs.
any comments welcome.
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we haven't had much luck with grp a frames, you have to make them in 2 parts and bond them together, we did a mould and moulding for a large swan sailing boat and it was a right bugger, ocean did one in the early days, you will always get stress cracks on them
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31 March 2010, 17:41
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Originally Posted by biffer
we haven't had much luck with grp a frames, you have to make them in 2 parts and bond them together, we did a mould and moulding for a large swan sailing boat and it was a right bugger, ocean did one in the early days, you will always get stress cracks on them
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I thought that as well a two part mould but the joining of the two parts may be a problem so far as strength goes.
but where there's a will there's a way.
thinking on it now might have come up with an answer but its a long winded way of doing it.
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31 March 2010, 17:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonar
I thought that as well a two part mould but the joining of the two parts may be a problem so far as strength goes.
but where there's a will there's a way.
thinking on it now might have come up with an answer but its a long winded way of doing it.
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you could lay up a frame like a "c" shape and then a panel that fits into the inside, does that make sense?
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31 March 2010, 18:49
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Originally Posted by biffer
you could lay up a frame like a "c" shape and then a panel that fits into the inside, does that make sense?
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Then epoxy one into the other.
While leaving a hollow section for wiring sounds a good idea.
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01 April 2010, 01:19
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How weird is that? I was googling 'grp a frame' only last night. Nothing turned up, bar standard factory issue affairs.
Currently experimenting with a view to building something special for my 4.7 Futura SIB.
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01 April 2010, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Sharkbyte
How weird is that? I was googling 'grp a frame' only last night. Nothing turned up, bar standard factory issue affairs.
Currently experimenting with a view to building something special for my 4.7 Futura SIB.
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Sounds interesting .
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01 April 2010, 10:33
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Just going to chuck a thought in here......
Could you use a windsurfer mast or two as a basis, then you only need to design the corner fixings / crossbar which as it needs flat aea to mount your toys, would be a whole lot easier to mould a hollow section (vould do it like a laser dinghy, but in miniature) - Mould "pole inserts" into the ends, 'poxy the whole lot together, Job done!
If you fixed the verticals to the transom using U- bolts then you run the cables up through the bottom of thre pipe. (and if you make a screw fixing at the top, the thing could dismantlwe to make cable laying sooooo much easier......) Also would ship "flatpack"
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01 April 2010, 10:37
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East coast fibreglass do fibreglass tubes, only problem is moulding corner pieces.
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01 April 2010, 10:49
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as windsurfers masts but with some carbon fibre poles, might not crack as much! but that might be expensive....
S.
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01 April 2010, 10:51
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to make corner peices get some foam pipe insulation and bend it (a little bit of shaping may be neccesary). poss put some bent wire in side it. lay up around it and then pour acetone over the foam and you have a rough corner peice. the other way is just to have a right angled corner by butting the tubes together and laying up over the join.
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01 April 2010, 13:44
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There all great ideas and have given me a lot to think about and options on materials as well.
I am a way off from making one but the ideas are there thanks to the forum members.
Many thanks
Robert
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01 April 2010, 14:09
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i wasn't thinking of tube, more flat box like, have a look at the race boat, that arch is grp
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01 April 2010, 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biffer
i wasn't thinking of tube, more flat box like, have a look at the race boat, that arch is grp
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I am sure I have seen some continental ribs with grp radar / a frames on them.
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01 April 2010, 19:52
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http://brig.ua/e645.phtml
Have a look here, BRIG make ribs with arches, not sure how they overcome the stress cracking but they do look good
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01 April 2010, 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Into The Blue
http://brig.ua/e645.phtml
Have a look here, BRIG make ribs with arches, not sure how they overcome the stress cracking but they do look good
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Yes they look o.k. i am thinking of a smaller frame than them in the link you posted but something like that..
Thanks for your information.
Robert
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