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21 November 2005, 09:46
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,861
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How do you navigate
Do you rely on .
GPS
Chartplotter
Trad Nav
A mixture of both
Or I know my area like the back of my hand so don't bother.
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RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
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21 November 2005, 10:11
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Bromsgrove
Boat name: Kick-Ass !
Make: PAC/Artic 22
Length: 6m +
Engine: 250hp Yamaha
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,577
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chart plotter for me,
but my two main stomping grounds i know real well,,, but if the weather is wrong guess i could be in trouble, relying on visability
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21 November 2005, 10:12
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Newquay, Cornwall.
Boat name: None :(
Make: None :(
Length: 5m +
Engine: None :(
MMSI: None :(
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,280
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In my opinion paper charts are as much use as a chocolate tea pot on an open RIB.
I use a Garmin 178C chartplotter and I have a Garmin Foretrex 100 wrist mounted GPS as backup. So if im venturing out of an area that I know like the back of my hand at least I have a completely separate backup way of finding a safe haven should my main chartplotter fail.
This of course will not help if the GPS system its self (ie the satellites) goes down (im not sure how likely this is to ever happen) but if it ever sould i still have a console mounted Plastimo 75 compass and also a Plastimo Iris 50 handbearing compass so that I at least know which direction I'm travelling - but this obviously is reliant on you having a good knowledge of where you were when the GPS went down.
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21 November 2005, 10:14
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Nr Faversham, Kent
Boat name: C Rider
Make: Avon
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yam 80
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 513
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Except for trad nav:- all of the above. Ribs are not the best place to do EP's or DR. Though I do mark last confirmed position/next route using chinagraph pencil on the chart cover.
I tend to use the GPS to get me started, then read off a mag bearing and follow the compass for passages, rather than just the plotter.
At night though I tend to follow the plotter as my compass is a bit difficult to read at night.
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21 November 2005, 10:24
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Nutbourne
Boat name: Renegade
Make: Porter
Length: 6m +
Engine: 140 Tohatsu
MMSI: 235022904
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,195
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1. Eyes.
2. Local knowledge.
3. Chart plotter.
4. Memory. (with route plan and chart handy by).
5. Hand held GPS.
6. Fixed Compass.
7. Hand bearing compass.
8. Water resistant charts & portland plotter. (No dividers on the tubes)
In roughly that order. As one fails, I move down the list.
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"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools" Douglas Adams
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21 November 2005, 11:08
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Salisbury
Boat name: Blue C
Make: XS 600
Length: 6m +
Engine: 125hp Opti
MMSI: 235082826/235909566
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,439
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Chartplotter & Trad Nav
H/H GPS (Backup)
In that order + Always carry a passage Plan Which we update with chinagraph.
Brian.
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21 November 2005, 11:39
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#7
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Farnborough
Boat name: Narcissus
Make: Cobra
Length: 7m +
Engine: Optimax 225
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,364
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Sextant
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21 November 2005, 11:59
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Inverkip
Make: Redbay 11m Cabin
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x Yamaha422Sti 275
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 567
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Local Knowlege, and if its somewhere new I usually have a quick look through the Almanac or Sailing/Cruising directions to get an idea of any dangers/marks and then use the plotter/charts.
I will usually have charts for the area handy, as sods law dictates the plotter will have a "funny turn" just when you need it the most.
Andy
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21 November 2005, 12:24
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Binfield
Boat name: merlinless now
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 452
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whilst i know the Solent quite well
1) Charts + Plan (written down in big letter/numbers). Both in the plastic thing you would get with the small charts. On the Scorpion there is a small gap between the console and the screen, so i shove it down there
2) Chartplotter to check, while i'm zipping along
3) Handheld GSP, with spare batteries if chartplotter fails.
4) Chartplotter + sextant when i went across the pond
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21 November 2005, 16:33
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Cardiff
Make: Humber Destroyer 5.5
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90hp OB
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 499
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Local Area - chart plotter and knowledge
Backup - Charts and H/H GPS
If in new area tend to go over prepared
Charts for visual reference and prior planning
Plot routes on laptop against Memory Map charts and upload to Plotter and H/H GPS
Chart Plotter
H/H GPS as back up
Pocket PC with Memory Map charts and CF GPS in pocket (for detail as chart plotter only B&W)
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21 November 2005, 17:00
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#11
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda BF50
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,872
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On a longer trip ie. The Scillies, I'd use local knowledge to get me to Penzance. Nip into the Dolphin pub (owned by Jethro's brother) opposite the quay where the Scillonian docks. Wait until the Scillonian leaves, then hop in the Rib and follow it all the way to the Scillies,piece of cake. Obviously I'd take my AA map of great Britain as back up.
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21 November 2005, 17:05
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,410
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21 November 2005, 17:11
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Southampton
Boat name: DynaMoHumm/ SRV/deja
Make: Avon8.4, 5.4 & 4.777
Length: 8m +
Engine: Cat3126 Yam 90 &70
MMSI: 42
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,562
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Interestin question!
When I am driving the tug I nearly always use the chartplotter!, it's quicker an easier than planning CTS etc.
when I am on a rib or sailing I prefer a routemap and compass, I never used the chartplotter on my Scorpion apart from as a speedo. However, I would have plotted a course if I was going somehere strange, like Wolverhampton or Dublin
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21 November 2005, 18:21
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Binfield
Boat name: merlinless now
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 452
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Interesting about CTS
When i'm on the my mates old nelson (on-board) we do 8 knts and i always do CTS, as much as anything to keep my hand in and i like the navigation , i find it interesting
When i'm on the rib doing 25knts i dont usually bother in the solent as the difference is small e.g 1 knt in 2.4 minutes, if the tide was 3knts an hr then if it was 90 degrees to my course then i would be about 1/2 a cable out (ish)
Also mine is a black and white plotter, so its not as visual as the colour,,,but it does us
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21 November 2005, 20:59
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Brittany/Portsmouth
Boat name: Merlin
Make: Solent 6.5
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200
MMSI: soon !
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Wave
if I was going somehere more civilised than Southampton, like Wolverhampton or Dublin
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It's all been said really.
Except we are a bit too blasé about the Solent at times navigating from memory.
The weather sometimes catches me out and suddenly I'm paying close attention to the gps.
missus
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21 November 2005, 21:38
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: sunny south coast
Boat name: Pride of Bilboa
Length: 10m +
MMSI: 4
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 521
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I rely on following ^^^^^.. (Well, Kathleen anyway.. )
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22 November 2005, 00:54
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Member
Country: USA
Boat name: Thalassa
Make: RIBCRAFT
Length: 5m +
Engine: Honda 115 4 stroke
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 369
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knowing area and eyes
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22 November 2005, 01:53
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Fareham
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,866
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Study the chart at home, Chartplotter whilst underway and HIM upstairs at every other time.
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Looks Slow but is Fast
Member of the ebay Blue RIB cover club.
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22 November 2005, 03:14
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Member
Country: Canada
Town: British Columbia
Make: Gemini
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp 2 str
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,151
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Charts & compass.
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22 November 2005, 09:25
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: ramsgate
Boat name: Micki Dee Bee
Make: Ribcraft Seasafari
Length: 9m +
Engine: Twin 250hp Suzuki
MMSI: 235057235
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,622
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does a wing and a prayer count?
Compass, GPS/Plotter.
Local knowledge.
Have been known to use charts.
Regards
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