how much off

gtflash · 17 October 2004, 20:43

im looking at making an offer on a rib soon, ive heard people on here say never pay the asking price, all things considered including season drawing to an end approximatley how much % do you think should be offered below the asking price on a good condition boat before it becomes an insult and i get a slap in the face...

personally one of the boats im lookin at i thik is about £5k above market value but im by no means an expert.

ta gt

Rogue Wave · 17 October 2004, 20:55

is it from a private individual or a broker?

Matt · 17 October 2004, 21:06

I always go for the slap in the face approach. If they don't slap you in the face, you've offered too much. If they slap you hard enough so it just stings mildly, it's probably a good offer. If it really hurts, you probably need to go up in price a bit!

roofer · 17 October 2004, 21:58

i dont bother with slap in the face approach i go with kick in the nuts approach,you can always increase your bid but you can never lower it.you'll be surprised how many times it works.

EdwardH · 18 October 2004, 02:42

it also depends on how high the original price is... get a feel for what the boat is worth to you and NEVER pay more than that. how long has the boat been for sale for? Are there lots of other options? How much does the person need to sell it? All a bit mercenary BUT it works...

I always work on the 'halfway' rule. Work out what u want to pay. Double it and subtract that number from the asking price. You may end up meeting in the middle.

If someone is asking 10, then offer 7, they'll be affronted and you may end up with 8.5 as a purchase price.

gtflash · 18 October 2004, 07:42

ones private the others through a broker, i think the later is a fair price but not so sure the first is. i was thiking of going in about 85% of the marked price purely cause theyre within my budget that way... i feel sympathetic to them though as i got to sell my boat also

gt

Rogue Wave · 18 October 2004, 21:19

what are they and what are the prices

gtflash · 19 October 2004, 14:17

ones a scorpion and ones a revenger, both £35k

pmorgan · 19 October 2004, 14:24

Not sure what you should pay but just make sure you end up with the Scorpion, you won’t be disappointed!

Brian · 19 October 2004, 16:25

Comon guys, surely it depends what he wants the boat for. His profile says "racing/cruising". So thats not too helpful is it?
Well what is this boat for. Surely if its primary use is racing, he had better go for the Revenger hadn't he?

I have always also maintained that there is no perfect rib for all uses. As a generality we all have to compromise.

Carl · 19 October 2004, 16:37

get friends and family to put in low bids,it works all the time for everything,and before you know it they are brain washed into thinking said item is overpriced,plus someone somewhere will take your money in the end.....................plus its the middle of october

Scary Des · 19 October 2004, 17:09

I have a friend who is a yacht broker and she says that she never offers the asking price, never asks the price she wants and is never offended by an offer (as long as it's legal)

Des

gtflash · 19 October 2004, 20:47

thanks guys good info.. whats wrong with a profile that says racing/cruising!!

i love racing but probably will never do it cause i prefere a boat with comforts and all my friends that do race are sick of the sport,i love poker runs and i love cruising... island hoping, wanna go to jersey/guernsey etc... simple as that

gt

Rogue Wave · 19 October 2004, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtflash

ones a scorpion and ones a revenger, both £35k

go on spoil me just give me length, age and power.

Brian · 20 October 2004, 08:36

Ah, gtflash, thats a bit clearer.
In which case I agree with pmorgan-go with the Scorpion.

PS. Nothing at all wrong with racing and cruising. No offence meant. It is just that normally this means you need a diferent type of boat, for perfection, for each activity. Perhaps a lighter "stripped down" boat for speed and a more solidly built boat with extra bibs and bobs for cruising. A boat that is therefore heavier and slower-as they say " built for comfort not speed".

gtflash · 20 October 2004, 13:43

both 2 years old and both around 8m (all im sayin)

. scorpion owners anyone know what sorta speeds they get out their scorpions with 225s and 250s. see all my mates have got 60-70mph boats, pascoes etc and i dont wanna chewing their wake all the time, all though i appreciate that the scorpions will keep going over the rough stuff!! have they got a deep v hull or warped??

ta gt

pmorgan · 20 October 2004, 13:54

Don’t know if this is any help: My Scorpion 8.1 has a Yamaha F225 (that’s a four stroke) and the maximum speed on the GPS is 47.3 knots. This was achieved by Graham (Scorpion MD) during her sea trials, so I expect it was pretty empty (and not run in !). The best I have achieved is 46.3 knots with all sorts of junk on board, including auxiliary engine, dinghy, 150 litres of fuel and me !

John Kennett · 20 October 2004, 13:55

The Scorpion's not a fantastically fast hull. I drove an 8.5 with twin 200s and it didn't do a lot more than 50MPH.

I would expect a SportRIB to be quicker for a similar size and power.

John

Louise · 20 October 2004, 13:58

While you're waiting for the chaps with the bigger Scorps to answer, I'll just let you know that the fastest we've been on our 7.5m with a 200 hpdi Yam is 52.9 mph (46 knots).

The Scorpion has a deep v hull and a warped deadrise which help to make it a very seaworthy boat and the chine design ensures it's a very dry ride ride too. HTH

Have you been out on either of the boats you are considering?

Richard B · 20 October 2004, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtflash

scorpions...have they got a deep v hull or warped??

It's a warped deep V

d'oh!!