How to value.

[Greatandsecret]

Now I’ve found out that my rib is a Humber destroyer 5.2 - 5.5, without an engine I was wondering how to value the Rib for either sale or insurance purposes.

The trailer is a Extreme 750kg compact roller trailer, under 12 months old.
It has a baystar steering system fitted, again under 12 months old.

The Rib itself is it good condition, it’s a a 2003 Humber destroyer, twin jockey seats, has just had some patches replaced professionally with a company called Ribbit who specialises In manufacture and repair, all in all there are 6 patches, 5 small and 1 large (ish), all tubes hold air, no slow leaks etc.
Hull is in good condition.

Like I said, overall good condition and just awaiting an engine.

Would love people’s ideas on the rough value of this if that’s possible ?

[chipko]

By the time you factor in a suitable motor, fuel load and kit I fear a 5.5 Humber plus trailer will be substantially more than the 750kg unbraked rating.
I would imagine this may have an effect on its value.

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by chipko

By the time you factor in a suitable motor, fuel load and kit I fear a 5.5 Humber plus trailer will be substantially more than the 750kg unbraked rating.
I would imagine this may have an effect on its value.

The Humber destroyer 5.5 dry weight is only 360kgs.

With a 75-90hp 2 stroke weighing between 120kgs - 140kgs.

Total weight of boat and engine using max weight of outboard = 500kgs.

Weight of trailer 170kgs

Add in 50kgs of fuel, and it comes in and a tidy 720kgs towing weight.

I never store gear In the boat for towing, and have also had the boat plus trailer checked by a local mariner to ensure all is good and they gave it the all clear in terms of size of trailer for the size/type of boat.

So unless I’ve got my sums and weights wrong and the mariner are telling me porkies then the trailer and boat are perfectly suited with a bit extra to play with.

Scott.

[69cmw]

What about the weight of the console, steering, controls etc etc [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by 69cmw

What about the weight of the console, steering, controls etc etc [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

All included [emoji106]

[Xk59D]

Dry weight is not including different console, seats etc normally, given you only have 30kg to play with I wouldn't be confident that is okay without getting it weighed.

I found this exact thing out at GREAT expense, the dealer even weighed my boat but the drystack forklift was way off. get it to your weight bridge, I bet you are surprised.....i was! . I now have 2 cars, new trailer and bigger marina bill due to the forklift feek up.

Breezeblock had a 5.3 humber and I think it was about 1000kg all up, he may see this and reply and may get you a better idea.

In terms of value, I'd think about 3.5k given time of year. For insurance i would just say 4k, 1k for trailer and 3k for rest, outboard will push it up obviously depending on what you put on there.

[willk]

Five grand, maybe four...

[69cmw]

Originally Posted by Greatandsecret

All included [emoji106]

In the 360kg weight?

[willk]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

I found this exact thing out at GREAT expense

10s of thousands worth, maybe...?

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

Dry weight is not including different console, seats etc normally, given you only have 30kg to play with I wouldn't be confident that is okay without getting it weighed.

I found this exact thing out at GREAT expense, the dealer even weighed my boat but the drystack forklift was way off. get it to your weight bridge, I bet you are surprised.....i was! . I now have 2 cars, new trailer and bigger marina bill due to the forklift feek up.

Breezeblock had a 5.3 humber and I think it was about 1000kg all up, he may see this and reply and may get you a better idea.

In terms of value, I'd think about 3.5k given time of year. For insurance i would just say 4k, 1k for trailer and 3k for rest.

I’ll have a drive down the weigh bridge tomorrow get a proper figure [emoji106].

[Xk59D]

Originally Posted by Greatandsecret

I’ll have a drive down the weigh bridge tomorrow get a proper figure [emoji106].

That really is the way to go if you have option of it, will save hassle in long run.

I'm going to say as it sits in the pictures there you are about 580kg.

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

That really is the way to go if you have option of it, will save hassle in long run.



I'm going to say as it sits in the pictures there you are about 580kg.

I’ll get it weighed tomorrow and let you know the outcome.

Thanks Xk59D.

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

That really is the way to go if you have option of it, will save hassle in long run.



I'm going to say as it sits in the pictures there you are about 580kg.

Hello mate.

Not long got back from the weigh bridge.
Your estimate of 580kgs wasn’t far off.
Came in at 620kgs.

If I buy the engine I’m looking at, it weighs approx 120-130kgs, all steering etc is all in place already so is included in the 620kgs.

That means the actually boat itself weighs 450kgs, plus the weight of the engine equals approx 580kgs which is the carrying capacity of the trailer.

So engine, boat and trailer I’m looking at around 750kgs which is the trailer gross weight rate.

I’ll carry fuel and Bits and pieces in the boot of my tourer as I’ve always done.

So I feel pretty much that I have enough info to satisfy that I am towing a safe load on a capable trailer.

Thanks Xk59D [emoji106].

[Xk59D]

I would get it weighed again when complete and keep the certificate with you just in case.

Outboard weights are dry and minus props fyi. That will easily add 10kg on.

What about an actor, chain, fenders, vhf, plotter etc?

I'm not in the least bit surprised as I don't think I've ever seen anyone say the boat was lighter than they thought.

Whilst I don't know about extreme 750kg trailer, I know fact the 1800kg sbs one was 35kg heavier than they claim as I weighed it separately, not too bad % wise though to be fair to SBS.

Looks like you can get round having no brakes but it is tight for sure. If brakes doesn't bother you and you get the chance to upgrade for little money i'd do it.

i'd have a bet most trailers/boats are significantly heavier than the average owner thinks they are.

[Orwell boy]

check your ply rating and carrying capacity on the tyres also ,should be fine as i had extreme 750 kg on 10 " wheels and ply was fine new ,but people will skimp on price and buy cheap on ebay and some are very low rated ,mr P is poor on trailers generally however he does understand load index and indeed if he finds nothing else he will rate the trailer at the addition of the tyre carrying capacitys.

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

I would get it weighed again when complete and keep the certificate with you just in case.

Outboard weights are dry and minus props fyi. That will easily add 10kg on.

What about an actor, chain, fenders, vhf, plotter etc?

I'm not in the least bit surprised as I don't think I've ever seen anyone say the boat was lighter than they thought.

Whilst I don't know about extreme 750kg trailer, I know fact the 1800kg sbs one was 35kg heavier than they claim as I weighed it separately, not too bad % wise though to be fair to SBS.

Looks like you can get round having no brakes but it is tight for sure. If brakes doesn't bother you and you get the chance to upgrade for little money i'd do it.

i'd have a bet most trailers/boats are significantly heavier than the average owner thinks they are.

[emoji106]
Even if the trailer weighs more than what the manufacturer says, that would have been included in the 620kgs.

Anchor, ropes and all extras are always carried in my tourer, I’ve always done it that way and it doesn’t take 10 mins to load everything into the boat where I launch, it’s how I’ve always done it in 20yrs of boating.

How much does a plotter weigh anyway [emoji23] it’s not going to add another 10kgs to the gross weight, it will add grams and ounces at the most.

I don’t actually carry a lot of gear, never have and never needed too.

The only thing missing from the weigh in was the engine, so using the manufacturers weight of the engine which was approx 120-130kgs and adding an extra 10kgs for prop etc it’s still only around the 750 mark, wether it’s tight or not is neither here nor there.

As someone mentioned previously, manufacturers lowered their gross weights to fall in line with EU regulations, so a trailer that was rated 1000kgs is possibly one rated as a 750, I know that makes no difference in terms of legality, but I’m confident that the trailer I have is more than suitable for the boat plus engine.

To spend a couple of thousand on another trailer when the one I have had been weighed and checked and is perfectly suitable is madness and completely unnecessary 🤪.

Once the engine is on I’ll get it weighed again [emoji106].

[Xk59D]

It is your licence, insurance etc so it is what you feel comfortable with.

I personally wouldn't knowingly buy nor tow it if I knew it was even 1kg over and you are certainly on the limit, likely over it. But to each their own.

Ideally your boat needs a braked trailer or smaller outboard on it to be a good match to the trailer, but it "looks" okay so doubt you will get hassle unless something happens.

[Greatandsecret]

Originally Posted by Xk59D

It is your licence, insurance etc so it is what you feel comfortable with.

I personally wouldn't knowingly buy nor tow it if I knew it was even 1kg over and you are certainly on the limit, likely over it. But to each their own.

Ideally your boat needs a braked trailer or smaller outboard on it to be a good match to the trailer, but it "looks" okay so doubt you will get hassle unless something happens.

You said it perfectly “if I knew” and at the moment we know nothing apart from the gross weight is well under and completely legal.

Once the engine is fitted I’ll get it weighed again and if it’s 1kg over I’ll hold my hands up and look into upgrading the trailer and I’ll send you enough money for a pint (or a box of teabags if you don’t drink).

Watch this space [emoji106].

[Seaflyer02]

Have you checked what your tow vehicle's maximum unbraked trailer weight is?
Not all vehicles can tow the unbraked 750Kg limit.


Good luck with your rig hope it goes well

[Xk59D]

What engine is going on there?

Depending on what it is could perhaps sacrifice HP for weight to keep it on current trailer.

It would be well over the limit with me, I would never carry fuel, anchor etc in car but you obviously prefer to load up and go, I like to launch and go, no dandruff that way