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21 September 2013, 10:55
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Keel drain plug
I have a redbay 6.1 with an anchor locker, the anchor locker has a drain plug in it at the rear of the locker.
Question is there is no drain plug at the keel, so I presume that any water that gets into the hull will sit there. Ie from cleaning or splashing in with the previous owner.
Only reason I ask is I moved the boat other day and thought I heard water sloshing around.
I plan to lift the rear of the boat higher than the bow and hope I can get any water out, it maybe fuel sloshing around. A plug would be more sensible.
Would you guys recommend fitting a keel drain and could you also recommend a supplier of either a strong brass or stainless drain plug.
Any suggestions would be grateful, my last humber had a drain plug in the anchor locker as well as in the back bilge well.
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21 September 2013, 11:02
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Willk will be here soon but there must be a drain either inside the rear deck well, or on the outside of the transom at the bottom if the hull.
If not, that sounds v strange. Has it been filled in.
Perhaps you could drill a hole and insert a bung so that you can drain the void when you want.
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21 September 2013, 11:11
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
so that you can drain the void when you want.
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Is that some kind of Chester euphemism? "......I'd give it five minutes luv if I was you, I've just drained the void......"
PS to the OP, there MUST be some kind of drain in the hull somewhere, Redbay would never miss out something so fundamental, would they?
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21 September 2013, 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
IPS to the OP, there MUST be some kind of drain in the hull somewhere, Redbay would never miss out something so fundamental, would they?
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There almost certainly is a drain somewhere. Possibly into a bilge well? A lot of Redbay clients spec "no hole in hull" so an alternative solution to the more usual transom drain may have been arrived at. If Redbay built a draining locker, then there will have been a plan for it to drain to somewhere where the water could be removed. A couple of pics wouldn't go amiss here?
I'd explore all the other avenues before drilling the transom
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21 September 2013, 11:47
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Had a good look and can't find any drains anywhere, in built tank, cannot see any other areas in line with the under deck
Please see some pictures of the transom and the bilge well
It is an early 2002 boat so may have been missed off the build list
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21 September 2013, 11:52
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Extra photo
Please see another photo of the transom, please note the transom is not as clean as I would have liked, previous owner had some anti foul added that needs some tlc.
Another project for another day
How are the plastic drain plugs like plastimo etc are they strong enough?
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21 September 2013, 12:33
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The pic below is of a somewhat younger 6.1m. The well config seems the same as yours. It might help with drilling. I'd imagine the drain angle is somewhat upwards. If you DO drill, you'll have to make a good job of re-sealing the exposed timber, an untreated gap on the rough internal edge is going to allow water into the transom. Personally, I'd be reluctant to drill - but if you have no means of removing water from the hull then you have to do something. Are there any plate or hatches on the deck that might lead to a below deck bilge pump? I'd remove some A/F around the likely location for a drain and see if the previous owner blocked up an original drain hole.
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21 September 2013, 12:52
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My Osprey Viper suffered the same with no way of getting water out from the hull!
Had to retro fit a bung in the bottom of the transom and this from a make how can do no wrong according to some!
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21 September 2013, 13:05
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All Ospreys now come with the drain plug in the transom but quite amazed at the number of builders that don't bother. Better to have it fitted during the build and glassed in so no wood in the transome is exposed to moisture.
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21 September 2013, 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by landlord
All Ospreys now come with the drain plug in the transom but quite amazed at the number of builders that don't bother. Better to have it fitted during the build and glassed in so no wood in the transome is exposed to moisture.
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I was told that Mike (Osprey) does not like them, and unless specified, does not fit them. I had to use a small hole cutter on mine to fit a drain plug, but was careful to cover the exposed ply with good quality epoxy (West System).
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21 September 2013, 14:52
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Before you do anything give Gary at Redbay a ring and explain your plight and he will be able to advise you on your options the number is 028 2177 1331
Don't bother with a plastic drain assy - fit a proper marine bronze unit such as in the picy - they are only a tenner - brass will only dezincify over time.
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21 September 2013, 17:04
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Many thanks for your feedback and thanks for the picture.
The brass one looks for for the job, will give Gary a call and have a chat, thanks for the info.
Had a good luck over the boat and definitely no other drains on the boat, the boat came with the attwood bilge pump, I have recently re rigged it with a through hull fitting and new pipe work. No other pumps or drains anywhere
Thanks again
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21 September 2013, 17:16
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These are far better as they go right through the transom and there are no issues trying to seal the inside of the hole with gel coat etc.
Aquafax » Marine & Industrial Equipment
Plus an old thread of mine.
http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/transom-...ted-18538.html
Nasher.
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21 September 2013, 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freespirit3
Had a good look and can't find any drains anywhere, in built tank, cannot see any other areas in line with the under deck
Please see some pictures of the transom and the bilge well
It is an early 2002 boat so may have been missed off the build list
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Thanks for the info
This was what the boat looked like when I bought it
Nasty bilge pipe
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21 September 2013, 20:12
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Am I being completely daft... Purple rope on that transom picture above looks like its for an elephant trunk type arrangement? Can't think what else it would be.
Went back to the blue transom photo and there is something circular just on the starboard edge of the picture... Like an elelphant trunk fitting maybe? And not visible above so where is it connected to.
Pretty sure I must be talking sh1t ...
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22 September 2013, 00:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyShoe
Am I being completely daft... Purple rope on that transom picture above looks like its for an elephant trunk type arrangement? Can't think what else it would be.
Went back to the blue transom photo and there is something circular just on the starboard edge of the picture... Like an elelphant trunk fitting maybe? And not visible above so where is it connected to.
Pretty sure I must be talking sh1t ...
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That'll drain the water on deck. He's after draining water from below deck, either in to the well or out of the rear.
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22 September 2013, 08:53
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Except their aint an elephant trunk hole on the 'old' transom photo!
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22 September 2013, 10:21
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Quote:
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Except their aint an elephant trunk hole on the 'old' transom photo!
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Well spotted Inspector Clouseau!
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22 September 2013, 12:49
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For the sharp eyed you will see on the left the shadow of the elephants trunk, it's near to the power supply cable for the pump bottom left.
I haven't added anything other than the through hull fitting and new piping
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23 September 2013, 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
That'll drain the water on deck.
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The "brown" item visible to the right of the bilge pump is presumably the inboard end of a handle inserted into the drain sock/elephant trunk - presumably there to stop the sock from kinking.
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