Kill Cords

[uncle al]

when I was working if I went out on a boat test , it was a sackable offence not to use the kill cord

[Jeff Hutcheon]

I think PBRM idea is a knee jerk one, if they want to do anything they could just run a safety awareness item in every issue starting with "kill cords" how many people do you see every day not wearing seat belts or on the phone so who would police it anyway!!! Ps well said Kerny and Rocky.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hutcheon

I think PBRM idea is a knee jerk one, if they want to do anything they could just run a safety awareness item in every issue starting with "kill cords" how many people do you see every day not wearing seat belts or on the phone so who would police it anyway!!! Ps well said Kerny and Rocky.

I really hope it is a knee jerk reaction that disappears into the ether.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I really hope it is a knee jerk reaction that disappears into the ether.

[harryesd]

Originally Posted by kerny

Sorry I don't agree with that statement. We have fines for cars for not wearing seat belts, speeding, using mobiles while driving etc, etc, has it stopped it

I for one value my rights and giving them away so the Government can make money out of something that will not work I am staunchly against.

Accidents do and always will happen even to the best of us, mindless morons will always be amongst us whether it be in boats or cars and implementing fines is not the cure but just make the cost of boating get higher and higher. The British coast is free to roam and I for one would like to keep it that way.

Like it has been mentioned in previous posts ... education, education, education, all the time for me

I agree with Kerny, sometimes it's hard to get your point across when writing something, as it can be read differently. I think you have put this very well (in my opinion)
Talking about opinions !!!! i take it Hugo from PBRM has enough members or statistics to warrant seeking this legislation ? it seems quite a few of us on here aren't so keen !!!
Would be interesting to know the percentages for and against ?

[Jeff Hutcheon]

Originally Posted by harryesd

I agree with Kerny, sometimes it's hard to get your point across when writing something, as it can be read differently. I think you have put this very well (in my opinion)
Talking about opinions !!!! i take it Hugo from PBRM has enough members or statistics to warrant seeking this legislation ? it seems quite a few of us on here aren't so keen !!!
Would be interesting to know the percentages for and against ?

I can feel a thread coming on!

[Doug Stormforce]

....We here at PBR.......In addition, we will push for legislation to make sure that such a console warning sign is mandatory on every boat sold/in use in the UK along with the use of the Kill Cord itself. It is our view that fines should be imposed on any craft not abiding by these basic safety requirements. (In the same manner that fines are imposed on car drivers not wearing seat belts.) PBR is also in favour of a UK mandatory licence of basic competency before a boat of a certain power can be driven. We shall be pushing hard for such legal requirements to be made. The RYA have been notified of our intentions Hugo Montgomery-Swan ........

If PBR is truly going to campaign to bring more legislation to our sport then:

• I can no longer read or buy this magazine
• Our company can no longer reccomend this magazine as pre course reading to our Instructor candidates
• Our company can not allow copies of this magazine to be available to staff or customers at our centres

I think the accident at Padstow was horrific but knee jerk reactions such as compulsory licensing for all powerboat drivers and fines for not having a sticker on your boat are not the solution.

[ashbypower]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

If PBR is truly going to campaign to bring more legislation to our sport then:

• I can no longer read or buy this magazine
• Our company can no longer reccomend this magazine as pre course reading to our Instructor candidates
• Our company can not allow copies of this magazine to be available to staff or customers at our centres

I think the accident at Padstow was horrific but knee jerk reactions such as compulsory licensing for all powerboat drivers and fines for not having a sticker on your boat are not the solution.

[wavelength]

Our boats have had the RYA kill cord sticker on for years-however I dont think it makes any difference. Stickers are like hi vis vests, you see that many that they no longer have any impact.
I'm happy enough to have another sticker voluntarily on the boat and would welcome the free one but I don't want a jobsworth inspecting m'boat for one when he feels like it.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by ashbypower

[Nick Hearne]

Well how about everyone who is against HMS idea for licensing us all show are feelings & email him voicing are views?

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

Well how about everyone who is against HMS idea for licensing us all show are feelings & email him voicing are views?

We could always say so on PB&R's facebook page.

I already did earlier.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

Well how about everyone who is against HMS idea for licensing us all show are feelings & email him voicing are views?

Good point!! how about a for and against poll on here first ??

[C2 RIBS]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

If PBR is truly going to campaign to bring more legislation to our sport then:

• I can no longer read or buy this magazine
• Our company can no longer reccomend this magazine as pre course reading to our Instructor candidates
• Our company can not allow copies of this magazine to be available to staff or customers at our centres

I think the accident at Padstow was horrific but knee jerk reactions such as compulsory licensing for all powerboat drivers and fines for not having a sticker on your boat are not the solution.

Doug what is the solution? You train hundreds on powerboats and clearly follow RYA directions on training and kill cord and lifejacket use.

Despite many excellent trainers and schools people ignore the advice and take risks. I am not saying legislation is the way forward but HMS at Powerboat and RIB has stuck his neck out with an idea and no others are being brought forward to discuss. He has also issued the signs for all participants and I accept it may sell more product for him

You and your teams are very well placed to give us the best steer(excuse the pun) on the way forward

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by kerny

Good point!! how about a for and against poll on here first ??

Set a thread up

[TRevor Lawson]

I vote for education not legislation, can't see a real way to monitor use of kill cord, we should all be sensible and wear one, and life jackets, we know the results of not, Out last week at herne bay quite a few people not using either, but suspect they are the ones who don't wear seat belts either and use the mobile when driving.

[Boatnomad]

Originally Posted by kerny

Sorry I don't agree with that statement. We have fines for cars for not wearing seat belts, speeding, using mobiles while driving etc, etc, has it stopped it

I for one value my rights and giving them away so the Government can make money out of something that will not work I am staunchly against.

Accidents do and always will happen even to the best of us, mindless morons will always be amongst us whether it be in boats or cars and implementing fines is not the cure but just make the cost of boating get higher and higher. The British coast is free to roam and I for one would like to keep it that way.

Like it has been mentioned in previous posts ... education, education, education, all the time for me

A BIG +1

[Anchorhandler]

Perhaps I'm being a tad too pragmatic here but as tragic as the incident was, how often does such an event occur?

I don't mean passengers being thrown out of a boat but incidents leading to injury as a direct result of not wearing a kill cord.

I would like to see some kind of statistic showing kill cord related incidents Vs total number of annual hours spent on the water by British boat owners.

Luckily i suspect that statistically, its quite low.

Simon

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[Nos4r2]

I've set up a poll here:-

http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/compulso...ink-55022.html


It's not going to be a regular thing-I think it's the first one we've had on Ribnet and I recognise it could cause rifts so it's anonymous.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I will go as far as to say that if HMS goes ahead with a campaign to put legislation in place, I will not renew my subscription to Powerboat and Rib.

I have to say that was my inclination too. Is it knee jerk? or marketing opportunism? its not the first accident of its type? its not a new problem... ...was it local to Hugo or some other reason that this one has stirred his interest?

Originally Posted by wavelength

Our boats have had the RYA kill cord sticker on for years-however I dont think it makes any difference. Stickers are like hi vis vests, you see that many that they no longer have any impact.

- I'm sure there is a recognised terminology for failing to notice warnings because they are there all the time. And I suspect only the safety conscious will add them anyway.

Originally Posted by C2 RIBS

Doug what is the solution? You train hundreds on powerboats and clearly follow RYA directions on training and kill cord and lifejacket use.

Well there is an interesting suggestion in the other thread that by changing common practise from keeping the cord on the controls and connecting / disconnecting to the user to keeping the cord on the user and disconnecting from the controls as it would reduce risk of forgetting. IF there is a belief that this is actually better practice its something that training centres could start doing easily.