Leeway

[Alice]

Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller

To re-cap:

I dispise the splashing, I dispise the bare faced lies,

And I dispise the insult to my, and many other peoples inteligence.

Fuller, You have no scruples, you're just a trouble maker and as for your inteligence being insulted? I'd have thought that you'd be very used to that by now.

Leeway way don't you stop 'rising to the bait' and concentrate on your boats?

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Alice

Fuller, You have no scruples, you're just a trouble maker and as for your inteligence being insulted? I'd have thought that you'd be very used to that by now.......

Yeah... you tell 'im.

[Jonny Fuller]

Originally Posted by Alice

Fuller, You have no scruples, you're just a trouble maker and as for your inteligence being insulted? I'd have thought that you'd be very used to that by now.

Hey Mullulnan, why do you insist on using that daft username? oh yeah, you got banned for being a troublemaker! YAWN!

PS, it does quite suit you tho'.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Hightower

Seems like Lee is getting increasing support for the members here. .

Some from people who either have or have seen Leeway boats and can form their opinion on those and some from people who haven’t got a clue. Explain that phenomena? I can’t.

Originally Posted by Hightower

If there are Copyright problems with the hull then I don't see that it's anyones concern other that that of the original Designer (too many people on the wind up) and if Lee says that he can proove in a court of law, then why disbelive him.

So that’s your stance on counterfeit goods in general is it? It’s OK to buy “knock-offs” because they’re cheap? The problem lies with the original manufacture, who may well be out of business because they can’t compete on price, when some unscrupulous person doesn’t have to factor in the huge cost of design and development? Interesting moral stance.

Originally Posted by Hightower

then why disbelive him.

Because he changed his story.

[Jonny Fuller]

Originally Posted by Jono

Yeah... you tell 'im.

Shut it Casanova!

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Jono

So that’s your stance on counterfeit goods in general is it? It’s OK to buy “knock-offs” because they’re cheap? The problem lies with the original manufacture, who may well be out of business because they can’t compete on price, when some unscrupulous person doesn’t have to factor in the huge cost of design and development? Interesting moral stance.

I think you are missing the piont.. for my ribs to be "knock-offs" as you so call it. does it not need to be a copy??

I know for a fact there are no other ribs the same as ours.

[Gav]

Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

. does it not need to be a copy??

but it is!

Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

I know for a fact there are no other ribs the same as ours.

not yet!

[Hightower]

Originally Posted by Jono

So that’s your stance on counterfeit goods in general is it? It’s OK to buy “knock-offs” because they’re cheap? The problem lies with the original manufacture, who may well be out of business because they can’t compete on price, when some unscrupulous person doesn’t have to factor in the huge cost of design and development? Interesting moral stance.

There aren't many large buisinesses out here that have morals, certainly ones making money. It's human nature, it's not right though!

Whilst we're on the subject of morals, people are calling/suggesting a Leeway a "splash/copy" but untill you prove it in a court of law or by some other means then it isn't, is it?

Originally Posted by Jono

Because he changed his story.

Yeh well I'd defend him there, he was a guy that was being "bullied" by a number of forum members and has been "bullied" for quite some time. I'd guess that he made a rash comment or two in defence to himself and his buisiness to try to calm the thread down a bit. Backfired perhaps, but never forgotten.....As peeps keep reminding.

We're not all blessed with good comunication skills!

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Gav

but it is!

you will need to produce evidence with that statement..

Originally Posted by Gav

not yet!

so are you trying to say my rib is not a copy??

[Hightower]

Lee, he's suggesting your's could be copyed one day .

Compliment, me thinks

[LeewayComposite]

thank you andy (hightower)

you are correct i am not blessed with good comunication skills.

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Hightower

Lee, he's suggesting your's could be copyed one day .

Compliment, me thinks

oh i see..

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Hightower

There aren't many large buisinesses out here that have morals, certainly ones making money. It's human nature, it's not right though!

Too true...and as I've been on the receiving end of poor ethics by some of the largest and richest, I have a solid view on this.

Originally Posted by Hightower

Whilst we're on the subject of morals, people are calling/suggesting a Leeway a "splash/copy" but untill you prove it in a court of law or by some other means then it isn't, is it?!

Lee admits to using existing hard boat hulls. I’d call that copying, wouldn't you?

Originally Posted by Hightower

...... I'd guess that he made a rash comment or two in defence to himself and his buisiness to try to calm the thread down a bit.

You may call it a "rash comment" I call it a lie.

Simple solution to all this.. and this is the best I can think of... we publicly compare Lee's boat with a Phantom and see what transpires? If The Ginger One is wrong... I'm sure he'd be so relieved to see that the Phantom is not splashed/copied that he'd be in the mood to buy the drinks all night long for those in attendance, just after he'd written a long winded and grovelling apology to Lee, signed by all of us who doubt him.... what do you say? Got to be worth a drinking session on the strength of that?

[Gav]

Originally Posted by Jono

Too true...and as I've been on the receiving end of poor ethics by some of the largest and richest, I have a solid view on this.




Lee admits to using existing hard boat hulls. I’d call that copying, wouldn't you?






You may call it a "rash comment" I call it a lie.

Simple solution to all this.. and this is the best I can think of... we publicly compare Lee's boat with a Phantom and see what transpires? If The Ginger One is wrong... I'm sure he'd be so relieved to see that the Phantom is not splashed/copied that he'd be in the mood to buy the drinks all night long for those in attendance, just after he'd written a long winded and grovelling apology to Lee, signed by all of us who doubt him.... what do you say? Got to be worth a drinking session on the strength of that?

fantastic idea! I like a good piss up! shall i bring a tape measure!

[Endeavour]

Does any one have one of the BOATS in which lee has supposed to have copied his off?

How do you fit the tubes to a hull without doing some plug work to enable them to be attached?


I have been in the position of having one of my early boats copied 1 for 1. Its not a nice. The cheeky gets even tried to sell them as my boats.

Just a case of being one step ahead of the game.

Steve

[Gav]

Originally Posted by endeavour boats

Does any one have one of the BOATS in which lee has supposed to have copied his off?

How do you fit the tubes to a hull without doing some plug work to enable them to be attached?


I have been in the position of having one of my early boats copied 1 for 1. Its not a nice. The cheeky gets even tried to sell them as my boats.

Just a case of being one step ahead of the game.

Steve

as lee will tell you, you flip the boat upside down, attatch a temporary flange where you want the toobs, low topsides. mould it, hey presto a rib hull!

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Jono

Lee admits to using existing hard boat hulls. I’d call that copying, wouldn't you?

depends on the context. as if you get a boat wax it and make more that is a copy..

if you cut and moddify/addapt to more than 15%, in the eyes of the law that is not.

Originally Posted by Jono

Simple solution to all this.. and this is the best I can think of... we publicly compare Lee's boat with a Phantom and see what transpires? If The Ginger One is wrong... I'm sure he'd be so relieved to see that the Phantom is not splashed/copied that he'd be in the mood to buy the drinks all night long for those in attendance, just after he'd written a long winded and grovelling apology to Lee, signed by all of us who doubt him.... what do you say? Got to be worth a drinking session on the strength of that?

i know our rib is no copy of anything. our rib will never fit in a phantom mould and a phantom will never fit in my mould. what about paying me for my time as i am really busy. i have orders to compleate..

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Gav

as lee will tell you, you flip the boat upside down, attatch a temporary flange where you want the toobs, low topsides. mould it, hey presto a rib hull!

yes you could do that. but our rib is differant to a phantom

[Gav]

Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

yes you could do that. but our rib is differant to a phantom

yeah we know that, phantom has topsides, and your running surface is bent

[LeewayComposite]

Originally Posted by Gav

yeah we know that, phantom has topsides, and your running surface is bent

and thats only two of the differances, so you admit cant be a copy??