Leeway - Page 5

Hightower · 20 April 2006, 22:09

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Originally Posted by jonmitch

Great.

Does this mean we're no longer going to be bored sick by "my boat, your boat" arguments?

Aren't the press great? For the record:

1. I'm not a GP
2. I dont earn anyway near 100,000 let alone 250,000.
3. I have no wife, expensive or otherwise. Or kids. Or a Volvo. Lucky me.
4. As much as possible on holidays but 10k, behave.
5. I bought the RIBeye because I was bored at being shown boats that looked like someone had been sick in them. Repeatedly. Besides its great fun, does exactly what I want it to do, is in great nick and was built in Dartmouth just down the road. And its yellow....hooray!!

Now where were we. Who's sploshing whos hull?

Jon (more likely to get seen in the dark in a yellow boat)

Baited!....Don't get sucked in Doc! They'll be digging a hole for you next

Nos4r2 · 20 April 2006, 22:10

oh go on, jonmitch let them debate your salary and take the mick for a while. They'll never get it right but at least they'll be looking the other way...

PeterR · 20 April 2006, 22:18

Thankyou Jimbo,By the looks of the pictures it looks like a Shakeshere hull .But it did enrage me to read olmecs smug comments ,its a shame after he had two goes at doing my tubes they still had to be removed and another new set be done at Henshaws Thanks to the Supplier of my new boat at the time.Let this be a warning to others when spending your hard earned cash

PeterR · 20 April 2006, 22:22

I must just add i,m going to bed now and will have a good nights sleep in the knowledge I,ve not robbed anyone today thats more than some people can do Goodnight

G L · 20 April 2006, 22:28

I never would have thouht this this would be such a sensitive subject!!! So after much good and bad postings, I'll be going to see the Rib in person next week, hopefully most of the posting on here are just sour grapes and it is a good Rib, because it just right for my money. I'll let you all know how it goes!!!!!!!!

Nos4r2 · 20 April 2006, 22:32

G L did you get the PM by the way?

G L · 20 April 2006, 22:56

Nos4r2 : Thanks for advice. Much appreciated.

G L · 20 April 2006, 23:02

Nos4r2 : Hows the Frontera working out? I've a 2.2 dti from new, Just had to fit a new clutch at 90K (£350) can't complain !!!

Nos4r2 · 21 April 2006, 00:12

Shit to be honest-want to swap? It just keeps on going wrong and it's always little things. I'm going to have to get rid and get another trooper I think. Shame really, I like the car.

LeewayComposite · 21 April 2006, 01:16

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Originally Posted by no fear

as the tubes were removed and replaced at Henshaws

One of my ribs was at henshaws??? what was the colour, before they got it?

pathalla · 21 April 2006, 02:35

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Originally Posted by jonmitch

Get a life guys! I'm new to RIB ing but one thing I've learnt is that there are a lot of opiniated people on this forum who have many axes to grind. We all have our favourites and that includes the boats we use, but ultimately we're in this to have a good time out at sea in fantastic machines that we have the great privilege to be able to afford.

Of course there are design similarities but show me one RIB design that is "unique" and I'll eat my stethoscope!

Jon (back from the pub and going out again)

how about this one... a one off. I am sure there are probably others. Anyone??

codprawn · 21 April 2006, 04:35

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Originally Posted by pathalla

how about this one... a one off. I am sure there are probably others. Anyone??

Still looks like a RIB to me.

PeterR · 21 April 2006, 08:06

Hello Leeway..................Quote........One of my ribswas at Henshaws?? what was the colour before they got it? Are you saying they were removed from your boat and was there more than one because i would have thought you would no what colour it was .Regards P

Jonny Fuller · 21 April 2006, 08:21

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Originally Posted by G L

Nos4r2 : Hows the Frontera working out? I've a 2.2 dti from new,!!!

WOW, you really are a glutton for punishment!

Only Kiddin

Jono · 21 April 2006, 08:29

Confusion on the "toobing" front, me thinks. Ed's pics are a Shakespeare hull, by the look of it, being tubed and Peter's boat is a Shakespeare......tubed by Olmec and then subsequently re-tubed by Chris at Henshaws....

Jonny Fuller · 21 April 2006, 08:59

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I think the parentage of many of the RIBs out there is somewhat obscure anyway so I wouldn't let the splashing bit on it's own put you off.

An unsurprising attitude, given that your own boat derives, I believe, from a Revenger hull. And as to the best of my knowledge, Mike has never 'Sold' his design to anyone, it was as usual, just taken, tho' not necessarily directly by the builders of your boat.

ribraff · 21 April 2006, 09:04

To put the story straight on who does the tubing:

We at Olmec ....and Paul Tilley.

... Oh, and goodnight Peter.

codprawn · 21 April 2006, 14:09

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Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller

An unsurprising attitude, given that your own boat derives, I believe, from a Revenger hull. And as to the best of my knowledge, Mike has never 'Sold' his design to anyone, it was as usual, just taken, tho' not necessarily directly by the builders of your boat.

And I have no doubt that many other boats are mods of older designs. If there was NO copying going on there would only be ONE Rib maker - Avon or Flatacraft or Zodiac or Atlantic college or similar.

Same with aircraft - the Wright Brothers get all the credit and yet probably the true father of aviation is Sir George Cayley who developed most of the things needed - he was just too early and didn't have a suitable engine.

Look at stepped hulls - someone MUST have come up with it first - they have been in use for over 100 years - so maybe ALL stepped hulls are just copies of some poor sod's original design.

Matt · 21 April 2006, 14:44

Codprawn, we're not talking about being inspired by other ideas, we're talking about stealing by taking a direct copy of someone elses work and passing it off as their own. You're in IT, so perhaps you'll understand this perspective.

If you and I both write a system, that performs the same task, this is not copying, despite the fact that the code in the system may share some similarities. They might both be written in java, use oracle as a database, and implement various other "best practice" methodologies. We can however both claim credit for having written the systems ourselves.

However, if you write some code, which I then cut & paste, and change a few screens here and there to make it look different, and then claim to be my own, this is copying, or in the context of boats splashing.

As with code, parentage of boat hull is easily distinguishable. If someone builds their own plug, from scratch, the hull will be unique, irrespective of how influenced by others their design is. However, if 1 or more component of the hull is splashed, it's pretty easily identifiable. This is the case with Leeway's ribs. He took a Phantom 18, did a bit of cut and shut, and claims it to be his own design.

To apply the same comparison to other professions, if jonmitch spent the best part of his career writing a medical paper, which someone changed a few words in and published claiming to be their own, would he be a happy man? I think not.

I find it shocking and deeply disappointing that none of you give a shit about this, I can only suppose ignorance is bliss. I thought, and still hope, that most people here were better than that.

pathalla · 21 April 2006, 15:00

ok....