Local Sailing Club - Trial requested by the RIBnet Court - Page 5

9D280 · 08 October 2009, 13:57

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Originally Posted by biffer

this is all very confusing, are you telling me that you can buy new boats with no ce plates if you use it commercially, which is the whole point of us codeing the boat in the first place, the codeing poeple have ask for all the test results on my boat

Probably along the same lines that if I were to buy a new engine for mine I would need to adhere to the recreational craft directive (or whatever it's official name is) WRT engine emmissions, as it's a recreational boat, whereas commercials (e.g fishermen etc) have a far wider choice of power plants. (e.g. "oldschool" 2- strokes) that I could only dream of.

Poly · 08 October 2009, 14:11

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Originally Posted by biffer

this is all very confusing, are you telling me that you can buy new boats with no ce plates if you use it commercially,

YES. The CE plate only confirms conformity with the Recreational Craft Directive (RCD). Non-recreational craft, i.e. commercial vessels, are not required to conform.

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which is the whole point of us codeing the boat in the first place,

no they are two different standards for two different purposes. The RCD is essentially for pleasure boats and is a "type approval" saying that all vessels of a particular design are OK (in theory at least!). Coding is specific to a particular vessel, and as you know a lot more detailed about equipment that must be carried. And of course the RCD/CE plate is stuck on once as it leaves the factory and confirms conformity at that time. Coding is supposed to be an ongoing/renewable process.

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the codeing poeple have ask for all the test results on my boat, in theory what you are saying i didn't have to do any of it, am i reading you right and if this is right i'm going to have a row with the mca

No, you still have to demonstrate stability etc. If the boat IS RCD certificated then some of that data may already exist and you MAY be able to use that data yourself to cut down on your own efforts.

Poly · 08 October 2009, 14:15

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Originally Posted by biffer

didn't think you could sell a boat without a ce plate here in uk, it's cost me loads and for no reason, they know the boat is commercial why else would i be codeing it yet i've still had to go through all this bollox, time for a cuppa me thinks aarrrrrgh

I guess its not wasted money as if you come to sell it at the end of its commercial life then it would need RCD approved unless you wanted to restrict your market to other commercial use. I'm not sure how people are getting round this (or perhaps just turning a blind eye) for commercial Pacifics, Arctics, Deltas etc which are decommisioned and sold for private use?

chewy · 08 October 2009, 14:57

Isn't if the boat has been in use for 5 years then you don't need a CE plate. I know similar rules apply for home builds.

biffer · 08 October 2009, 15:10

make me feel a bit better or is it the tea, thinking of selling the old girl in the new year, i suppose cat2 code won't hurt the resale value, looking at doing a 10 m maybe with cummins 480hp, nxt leg not made me mind up yet

paul tilley · 09 October 2009, 08:40

Jono bring the debate out into the open at the clubs AGM .as a point of interest i think that safety boats for ARA rowing events (now British Rowing ) can be helmed by kids if they have a PB2 and an adult on board (not necessarily qualified adult ) .hence the two kids should definitly be paid they did the job and deserve their reward , it is morons like the person from the sailing club who put kids off of sport and work .

tonymac · 10 October 2009, 17:32

The club welshed on the deal!

Let the kids loose in the clubhouse!!

Or get a big chain and chain the club gates for a few hours on a Saturday morning.

Some direct action needed here.

jlanng · 12 October 2009, 07:37

Surely the sum only covers wear and tear and costs, therefore there was no reward. I'd take them to small claims court.

chewy · 12 October 2009, 08:43

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Originally Posted by jlanng

Surely the sum only covers wear and tear and costs, therefore there was no reward. I'd take them to small claims court.

Yep and show them the verbal agreement!

jlanng · 12 October 2009, 13:05

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Originally Posted by chewy

Yep and show them the verbal agreement!

I speak from personal experience when I say that you don't need a written contract. It's about the balance of evidence.

chewy · 12 October 2009, 13:07

I think taking it all into account its not worth pursuing.
I'd personally write the money off as a bad job.

Bigmuz7 · 13 October 2009, 07:46

I think the Judge has fallen asleep at the bench .. the public gallery has emptied .. the press have gone home .. the witness box has no one in it .. will this trial ever be concluded ?

andyxs · 13 October 2009, 11:28

did it ever have a point? would it ever have been conclusive? would the problem have suddenly rectified itself?

chewy · 13 October 2009, 12:20

I think it may have been that time of the month for him, you know when the sheep are been sheared and aren't free to roam the hills, he gets agitated.

Jono Garton · 13 October 2009, 12:25

The Yacht Club have decided they won't pay no matter how high, I take it.

I will pay the kids and the yacht club can do without any of my friends for safety boats next year.

Jono

andyxs · 13 October 2009, 13:36

who would have thought it, a yacht club not bowing to the pressures of rib.net

PeterM · 13 October 2009, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Jono Garton

The Yacht Club have decided they won't pay no matter how high, I take it.

I will pay the kids and the yacht club can do without any of my friends for safety boats next year.

Jono

Well done , at least some people still have some morals & act in good faith - unlike the club in question !

Next time they need help or a tow I'd insist in claiming costs from them to prove a point !

alystra · 13 October 2009, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Jono Garton

The Yacht Club have decided they won't pay no matter how high, I take it.

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. Makes me wonder if the people running the club today are the same old fossils that were running it forty odd years ago.

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I will pay the kids and the yacht club can do without any of my friends for safety boats next year.

Jono

Yes, and they'll tell their friends and so on, and everyone in the village ought to know they don't keep to deals and their word too. Who else are they going to cheat?

Brian · 13 October 2009, 16:16

Some questions about this occur to me.

1. Did the father tell the club he would be bringing his kids along? And would they pay the kids? Or did he "hide" that fact?
or
2. When he turned up for payment were his kids with him? They looked up, pointed to the kids and said "We are not paying for them" or (and this is question 3) did someone comment, during the week, say to a committee member, "See that bloke over there with his kids? I hope he isnt expecting us to pay for them too".

Lets see what the replies are before coomenting further.

Jono Garton · 13 October 2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by andyxs

who would have thought it, a yacht club not bowing to the pressures of rib.net

They had no pressure of RIB.net, I just wanted to see what peoples comments/thoughts were.

Jono