Makes me cringe

rigi36 · 05 October 2013, 23:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrDnrkI6u0c

two stroke mick · 06 October 2013, 08:59

was that a rib craft doing the towing?

ShinyShoe · 06 October 2013, 09:05

Looked like it, like the RYA 4.8 packages.

two stroke mick · 06 October 2013, 10:26

I was surprised that the first objective of the safety boat was not to recover the person from the water and retrieve the small sailing boat second

ShinyShoe · 06 October 2013, 10:45

I was surprised by the direction of approach.. I'd have though coming from the stern of the dinghy was a safer route of approach. If they decided they were happy with the person in the water they could have looped a rope round the shroud and pulled the boat clear. If anything went wrong they drift safely.

They way they approached if the engine died the were gonna be ontop of the guy in the water.

If it really was necessary to approach from that direction, they should have gone in bow first to keep the prop away from the swimmer...

Other choice, if they didn't want to be stern to the waves, would have been to anchor the boat and use the anchor warp to ease themselves back pick up swimmer and the tow and then motor forward taking in anchor warp and then go from there...

Perhaps its all cemera angles and we can't see what else was going on nearby. Clearly a second boat over.

thomas · 06 October 2013, 11:15

I'm sure the dinghy sailor put a note on the moored boat to say sorry, left his contact details and offered to pay to remove any scratches from the hull.

ShinyShoe · 06 October 2013, 11:18

Not his fault... wouldn't have hit it if they hadn't parked it there ;-)

thomas · 06 October 2013, 11:26

Sorry I forgot, dinghy sailors have right of way regardless, if the navy bloke who got tangled up with that big orange ship during Cowes week a while back had been in a Laser then the skipper of the big boat would have in court instead!

Ribochet · 06 October 2013, 17:06

Rule No 1 of Safety boat driving - keep yourself between anyone in the water and the engine.

rigi36 · 06 October 2013, 17:44

It looks like the prop is heading straight for the guy in the water at the beginning.

JamesF · 07 October 2013, 19:08

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dinghy sailors have right of way regardless

There are worse things out there: kite surfers...

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Difficult conditions, and not being familiar with fast flowing water I have to wonder what I'd have done there, but I certainly hope it wouldn't have been that.

The Black Pig · 07 October 2013, 20:48

Not defending the sailors but it was force 6 gusting 8 regatta week the salcombe yacht club let the races go ahead despite the forecast, but they received a tongue Lashing from the harbour master

ShinyShoe · 07 October 2013, 21:13

The decision to sail rests with the sailor.

That said the RO deserves a tongue lashing... Gusting 8 is asking for trouble, and ultimately if someone dies the RO is very likely to be asked to go to Coroner's Court to justify the decision to race. Most ROs don't seem to realise that and hide behind the 'decision to sail' statement.

C2 RIBS · 08 October 2013, 11:34

First - recover person in water- this was strong wind and tide, He had a bouyancy aid only.

Boat can be recovered as tide reduces if really necessary. Cannot believe a safety boat deals with boat first in this incident

chris.moody · 09 October 2013, 09:06

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Originally Posted by C2 RIBS

First - recover person in water- this was strong wind and tide, He had a bouyancy aid only.

Boat can be recovered as tide reduces if really necessary. Cannot believe a safety boat deals with boat first in this incident

I agree, always people first, boats second.

I didn't like the look of the person in the water being close to the back of the rib either, but maybe it was camera angle or the engine was killed.

Chris

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boristhebold · 09 October 2013, 10:00

My first thoughts were I wonder if this video is going to show one of them in the water getting chewed up, looks well dodgy, why didnt they get the people in the water out first and then sort out the boats.

Ribochet · 09 October 2013, 11:06

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Originally Posted by boristhebold

why didnt they get the people in the water out first and then sort out the boats.

Simple - lack of training, training and more training

simsy · 09 October 2013, 11:21

No sure I agree with the negative comments about the helm of the rescue craft. Towing the sail boat away with the sail boat skipper holding on hiding behind his boat, using 30 foot of rope gives the rescue boat helm time to at least turn his engine off if he feels he has lost control. I feel with that tide and wind he did well. He may of not followed the rules, but needs must some times...

To resucue the skippy with out moving the sail boat would be a can of worms in that case. IMHO.

Dan Gurney · 09 October 2013, 11:48

Probably setting myself up for a kicking, but as an ex-dingy sailor it didn't look that bad to me. The guy(s) in the water were obviously attempting to extricate their boat from the moored cat and were not, as such, in need of rescue themselves. So I can see why the priority was to get the boat out of there and then the sailors can decide if they want to be taken in or attempt to carry on with their race. They may even have been asked by the safety boat if they want to carry on, or if they are cold/exhausted and need picking up.

The seas were not big, though obviously the wind was brisk and there may have been some tide in play. I think the angle foreshortened the distance between the rib and the boat/man, and while it is obviously not ideal to be operating with a man in the water he had a hold of the dingy and therefore wasn't floating free.

How do skiboats/wakeboarding boats manage to safely but some one in the water? Wait for wind/current to pull them far enough apart for it to be safe to start the engine?

I used to provide rescue boat cover on Loch Lomond for my sailing club. But we weren't required to the RYA course so I never have (shocking I know, but the same club now insists all safety boat cox's do the course for what it's worth)

HUMBER P4VWL · 09 October 2013, 11:51

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Originally Posted by simsy

No sure I agree with the negative comments about the helm of the rescue craft. Towing the sail boat away with the sail boat skipper holding on hiding behind his boat, using 30 foot of rope gives the rescue boat helm time to at least turn his engine off if he feels he has lost control. I feel with that tide and wind he did well. He may of not followed the rules, but needs must some times... To resucue the skippy with out moving the sail boat would be a can of worms in that case. IMHO.

I kind of agree with this.

Due to situation he had no choice but to come from upstream/wind. Unless sailor lets go and drifts off he has no choice but tow it out. For all we know he had a prop guard on reducing risk. Either way I don't think it was that horrendous a situation. Not text book, but life isn't like that.