Marina hose pipe ban

[boristhebold]

Anyone else had all the hoses at their marina taken away recently ? Apparently some issue with ecoli and health and safety so now we have to bring our own hose to wash boat down.

If you aks me it is so stupid, as the marina hoses would be used far more than an individuals hose, so there is now much more chance of ecoli growing in my hose in the boat than the nicely coiled hoses along the pontoons at the marina.

Anyone else had this happen ?

expect they will remove the moaring cleats next due to health and safety as a trip hazzard.

Anyone know any stats regarding ecoli infections from the use of hoses in marina's ?

[gpsguru]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

Anyone know any stats regarding ecoli infections from the use of hoses in marina's ?

I suspect not a lot, but as far as the Marina insurers are concerned, I guess one is too many ......

[Dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

Anyone else had all the hoses at their marina taken away recently ? Apparently some issue with ecoli and health and safety so now we have to bring our own hose to wash boat down.



If you aks me it is so stupid, as the marina hoses would be used far more than an individuals hose, so there is now much more chance of ecoli growing in my hose in the boat than the nicely coiled hoses along the pontoons at the marina.



Anyone else had this happen ?



expect they will remove the moaring cleats next due to health and safety as a trip hazzard.



Anyone know any stats regarding ecoli infections from the use of hoses in marina's ?

It’s probably down to a water hygiene plan in accordance with ACOP L08 . It’s an at work situation so they have a duty of care to ensure risks by them are minimised . Yes it is crazy but for a very good reason .

[Poly]

If it’s ecoli risk then the concern is maybe about stupid people putting it in the waste tank by mistake, contaminating the hose and not telling anyone. If you do that not it’s your hose so only you that gets sick. A canal boat I hired recently was very clear about not mixing up water and waste caps.

[willk]

Poly is right - but it's even simpler when you think about it. A hose lying around gets dragged around the pontoons, dunked in wash buckets, walked on etc. Seagull crap is everywhere and the hose ends will get contaminated. Some moisture and warmth later..... some gadge dunks it in his potable water tank!

[smallribber]

It is actually a good idea

[boristhebold]

Well to me its just another over precaustious nanny state issue, a few signs for those really dumb people should be sufficient along the lines of 'dont use this to fill your water tanks and dont drink from this supply' should be sufficient. it amazes me how dumb a few people are that inconvieniences the majority, but there again so many people don't use a kill cord and don't wear a life jacket so I guess thats how it is.

I also have an issue with the argument of the standing water in the hose pipe, the marina hoses on the pontoons will be getting lots of use, a person with their own hose in their boat well that hose wont be getting much use so there is more chance of ecoli developing in the individuals hose rather than the hoses on the pontoons.

Marina's are full of hazzards, I bet 50 times more people are injured in a marina each year from just slipping or tripping up than any ecoli issue from a hose pipe.

Frustrating as I now have to carry a hose on my boat so I can quickly wash it down after use (to help get rid of salt as that eats my boat).

[Dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

Well to me its just another over precaustious nanny state issue, a few signs for those really dumb people should be sufficient along the lines of 'dont use this to fill your water tanks and dont drink from this supply' should be sufficient. it amazes me how dumb a few people are that inconvieniences the majority, but there again so many people don't use a kill cord and don't wear a life jacket so I guess thats how it is.



I also have an issue with the argument of the standing water in the hose pipe, the marina hoses on the pontoons will be getting lots of use, a person with their own hose in their boat well that hose wont be getting much use so there is more chance of ecoli developing in the individuals hose rather than the hoses on the pontoons.



Marina's are full of hazzards, I bet 50 times more people are injured in a marina each year from just slipping or tripping up than any ecoli issue from a hose pipe.



Frustrating as I now have to carry a hose on my boat so I can quickly wash it down after use (to help get rid of salt as that eats my boat).

It’s not about personal risk . It’s about risk in an at work environment . If the marina supply anything it needs to reduce risk ALARP to meet various bits of legislation . Section 3 of HASAWetcA 1974 covers this quite succinctly , or do you think that service providers should just do what they want with no regard to safety ?

Why would you not have your own hose ? I know that it’s always going to be available in case the one at marina has been stolen


The slips n trips can be managed by regular maintenance of walkways and if marina isn’t doing that then there’s issues there.

[butty]

this Is what I use a dock box for, keep cleaning gear, hose pipe etc etc in lockable box on the pontoon, then the boat is less cluttered. Got the idea when working out in the US as they are everywhere over there...

[Dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by butty

this Is what I use a dock box for, keep cleaning gear, hose pipe etc etc in lockable box on the pontoon, then the boat is less cluttered. Got the idea when working out in the US as they are everywhere over there...

That’s a great idea .

Wouldn’t work for those of us who move the boats around , I suppose the towing vehicle becomes a dock box then LOL

[butty]

If you are not in the Marina you will not be fussed about the hose pipes being removed.... :-)

[Dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by butty

If you are not in the Marina you will not be fussed about the hose pipes being removed.... :-)

We still pull boats out of water at marina slipways .. as long as there’s a tap I am a happy bunny.

[smallribber]

Just get one of those expanding hoses for Amazon for £15 and keep it in a locker

[jambo]

Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

Just get one of those expanding hoses for Amazon for £15 and keep it in a locker

Exactly what I’ve done for years

[Poly]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

Well to me its just another over precaustious nanny state issue, a few signs for those really dumb people should be sufficient along the lines of 'dont use this to fill your water tanks and dont drink from this supply' should be sufficient. it amazes me how dumb a few people are that inconvieniences the majority, but there again so many people don't use a kill cord and don't wear a life jacket so I guess thats how it is.

I’ve always assumed their primary purpose WAS for filling tanks.

I also have an issue with the argument of the standing water in the hose pipe, the marina hoses on the pontoons will be getting lots of use, a person with their own hose in their boat well that hose wont be getting much use so there is more chance of ecoli developing in the individuals hose rather than the hoses on the pontoons

but perhaps Erratic use?.

Marina's are full of hazzards, I bet 50 times more people are injured in a marina each year from just slipping or tripping up than any ecoli issue from a hose pipe.

probably a few tripping on badly stored pipes too!

Frustrating as I now have to carry a hose on my boat so I can quickly wash it down after use (to help get rid of salt as that eats my boat).

If you can afford to keep your boat in a marina you can surely afford a boat made from proper marine materials? Actually if this practice of pouring many litres of drinking water into the sea is common I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the motivation is to cut down on water use - they’ll presumably be on a meter so it costs them every time you turn the tap on.

[ShinyShoe]

Yachties have been on about this for ages.

All sorts of reasons - some don't even want a hose used - fill a bucket / can. No risk of back syphoning into other water systems.

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Yachties have been on about this for ages.

All sorts of reasons - some don't even want a hose used - fill a bucket / can. No risk of back syphoning into other water systems.

There shouldnt be any danger of back siphoning. Isnt it a requirement to have a none return valve at a standpipe tap? I'm sure it is for a garden tap on your house. If its not a requirement it is good practice

[Simon666]

My local marina blamed the water board.
Said their bylaws prevented them keeping hoses on the pontoons.
Since their pontoon feed it direct from the mains with no break tanks, a burst water main could cause a vacuum and suck the contents of any tank or marina itself into the water main.

[ShinyShoe]

Originally Posted by beamishken

There shouldnt be any danger of back siphoning. Isnt it a requirement to have a none return valve at a standpipe tap? I'm sure it is for a garden tap on your house. If its not a requirement it is good practice

Wouldn't have been a requirement when installed. Cheaper to remove pipes than to install valves. Marina will often have multiple stand pipes so multiple cost

[beamishken]

Water supply regs came into force in 1999 requiring backflow prevention in the form of double check valves or break tanks. Surely most marinas will have upgraded since then.
Double Check valves are less than a couple of quid I'm sure a marina with 50 or 100 stand pipes could afford that to keep their customers smiling.