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05 December 2005, 09:36
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
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there is a lot to be said for having a look at what you cant see just as importantly as what you can see.....i am the same
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Originally Posted by Jono
Yeah... probably... maybe the same reason a local boat builder (Hard boats and no-one on here.!!) won't welcome me back... well he did ask what I thought of his set up..... I think I was supposed to admire the elegant furniture in his craft and not lift all the hatches and poke around in the internal spaces...ho-hum...
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05 December 2005, 09:38
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
Make: BananaShark
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2xYanmar 260 diesels
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave
Cookee, Paul I agree with what you are saying.
I don't know what your workload is but consider if you had to build say five hulls/tubes for the same order, would it be more or less cost effevtive for you to do so and would the quality standards be easier or harder to maintain.
I am not counting the costs of developing the mould or tube patterns as they would have already been done, I am just thinking of the production costs/effort
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I don't think it would make much differance as to the costs - you would have to change your production techniques and employ more staff to produce more product. With more production it is then all down to the quality of the training and employing the right people to keep quality up and costs down.
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Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
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05 December 2005, 10:35
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Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
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I should add that we welcome people at our factory and are in the process of setting up a webcam so that customers can see thier boat being built!
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Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
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05 December 2005, 10:57
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
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that would be cool then we could all watch the action, would be like watching some live program like big brother
can we phone and prompt you if you are not working hard enough!!!!
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Originally Posted by Cookee
I should add that we welcome people at our factory and are in the process of setting up a webcam so that customers can see thier boat being built!
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05 December 2005, 11:06
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Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Length: 4m +
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The guys in the factory might not be so keen! Anyone remember the Consumer prog on the TV a few years ago, when the cowboy washing machine repair guy was caught having a "five finger shuffle" behind the washing machine whils't being filmed on cctv?!! The "Housewife" was ironing in the dining room and he was pearing through the gap in the door. What the hell must his wife have thought?!!
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05 December 2005, 12:41
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon. uk
Boat name: bananashark
Make: me
Length: 7m +
Engine: opti 225
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon
can we phone and prompt you if you are not working hard enough!!!!
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05 December 2005, 15:14
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
Make: BananaShark
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2xYanmar 260 diesels
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon
that would be cool then we could all watch the action, would be like watching some live program like big brother
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Of course you can watch everything - all you need to do is place an order with the appropriate deposit .................. I think Kitten has adequately responded to your other remark ...............
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Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
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05 December 2005, 18:55
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Dartmouth
Boat name: TIDEL III
Make: AVON SEARIDER
Join Date: Jun 2003
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not a rumour pete fact i have seen two elite ribs with chipboard for the transom , the third elite rib i saw was a set of tubes only the hull was at the bottom of the sea after the two parted company .no longer in business obviously
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05 December 2005, 22:48
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Boat name: SOLD
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I collected a Merc from the factory Bremam and as far as quality is concerned Eg. after every thirty SLs are bulit one is taken off the line and checked if its not up to the mark it goes back to the start. only 2 RIB makers i know encourage you to see your boat at differance stages of build
Picton Cobra and Scorpion. My friend as a Fairline Phamton 42 and he will tell anybody that he wont take it out unless its a max of slight to mordrate as it will self destruct.
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05 December 2005, 23:14
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: scotland
Boat name: Leviathan
Make: Phantom
Length: 8m +
Engine: GM Diesels
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Smith
only 2 RIB makers i know encourage you to see your boat at differance stages of build
Picton Cobra and Scorpion.
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There's a large picton rib at a marina in southampton, and when they pick it up in the slings, the hull distorts at the flange/chine where the weight is taken! and I don't mean a little bit!..it's a shocking site!
It hangs in the slings like a fkkn jelly!
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05 December 2005, 23:16
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookee
we... are in the process of setting up a webcam so that customers can see thier boat being built!
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Hey Cookee, I hope your boys work as fast as Graham's!
http://www.scorpionribs.com/SCORPION%20web.mov
(right-click and "Save Target As..." works best for me, and you will need Quick-Time)
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06 December 2005, 03:08
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller
There's a large picton rib at a marina in southampton, and when they pick it up in the slings, the hull distorts at the flange/chine where the weight is taken! and I don't mean a little bit!..it's a shocking site!
It hangs in the slings like a fkkn jelly!
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Maybe it's supposed to??? Never seen stress cracks in a jelly.....
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06 December 2005, 08:05
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Over here
Boat name: S.S. Nobstick
Make: Three Wise Monkeys
Length: 3m +
Engine: 44lbs of thrust....
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,127
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Smith
.. after every thirty SLs are bulit one is taken off the line and checked if its not up to the mark it goes back to the start. .
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Pity they don't do the same with the SLKs ....or my (ex ) wife's must have been no. 29.......
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06 December 2005, 09:09
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
Make: BananaShark
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2xYanmar 260 diesels
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Smith
only 2 RIB makers i know encourage you to see your boat at differance stages of build Picton Cobra and Scorpion.
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You can add BananaShark to that! Plus access to our webcam and stage photos to keep! Did I mention the hull waranty as well?
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Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
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06 December 2005, 09:46
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x 370hp
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Ospreys are happy for you to visit them to look at build and discuss layout, will have photos of the build as well
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06 December 2005, 10:14
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Inverkip
Make: Redbay 11m Cabin
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x Yamaha422Sti 275
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Originally Posted by Cookee
You can add BananaShark to that! Plus access to our webcam and stage photos to keep! Did I mention the hull waranty as well?
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You can go into Redbay at any time to see the boats getting built
Andy
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06 December 2005, 10:53
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: scotland
Boat name: Leviathan
Make: Phantom
Length: 8m +
Engine: GM Diesels
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn
Maybe it's supposed to??? Never seen stress cracks in a jelly.....
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Maybe, but that approach to structures requires a lot of uniformity in 'jellyness' tween structures, deck and hull skin, otherwise bits will get 'torn' from other bits when the distorting takes place.
I'm not sure it looked as calculated as that tho', and I definitely wouldn't wanna go fast in one, cos a good n proper high speed stuff would put it all to the test.
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06 December 2005, 11:25
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x 370hp
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn
Maybe it's supposed to??? Never seen stress cracks in a jelly.....
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but would a jelly make a good fast hull...dont think so
i would have thought you need the boat to be as stiff as possible to have the best performance.......or am i wrong
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06 December 2005, 11:56
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: scotland
Boat name: Leviathan
Make: Phantom
Length: 8m +
Engine: GM Diesels
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon
i would have thought you need the boat to be as stiff as possible to have the best performance.......or am i wrong
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For sure, but i think what codders was getting at is, all structures have a certain amount of give/flex built in to them, other wise they'd be brittle, and a total failure could be possible.
Also, a calculated amount of flex can make a high performance boat handle better, by absorbing some of the vertical loadings.
In the highly competitive sport of OCR, Steve found it possible to build slightly quicker boats (top speed) by stiffening the running surface with more balsa core thickness etc, but they bacame harder to control in anything but flat racing conditions, because all the energy of clouting waves at 75mph was transmitted into launching the boat, rather than being absorbed by the semi flexible structure, kinda like suspension.
There's a lot more to building competitive race boats than meets the eye.
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06 December 2005, 12:38
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller
For sure, but i think what codders was getting at is, all structures have a certain amount of give/flex built in to them, other wise they'd be brittle, and a total failure could be possible.
Also, a calculated amount of flex can make a high performance boat handle better, by absorbing some of the vertical loadings.
In the highly competitive sport of OCR, Steve found it possible to build slightly quicker boats (top speed) by stiffening the running surface with more balsa core thickness etc, but they bacame harder to control in anything but flat racing conditions, because all the energy of clouting waves at 75mph was transmitted into launching the boat, rather than being absorbed by the semi flexible structure, kinda like suspension.
There's a lot more to building competitive race boats than meets the eye.
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Bloody hell - AT LAST people are starting to get my drift.....
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