Mob - Page 3

OceanEco · 01 December 2006, 04:38

As for the radio call it would be a Pan Pan then upgraded to a mayday if you could not recover mob. Also as said in a earlier post sending a DSC MOB is also an excellent idea.

NautiAndNice · 01 December 2006, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Jimbo

Have you done a VHF Course? If so, what was the opinion of your VHF Instructor?

Erm...you should remember ... it was you!!!

Jimbo · 01 December 2006, 10:43

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Originally Posted by NautiAndNice

Erm...you should remember ... it was you!!!

I know, but if you remember you refused to tell me your ribnet username, so I was doing a little fishing....

I spoke to a Coastguard chappie the other day, and he said that unless you are 100% sure you can recover an MOB, they would rather you put out a Mayday, recovered your MOB, and cancelled the Mayday, than you spent half an hour trying to recover before you put out your Distress Signal.

RAD · 01 December 2006, 11:24

As I have completed a RYA Safety boat course, we were taught to use a variety of methods to recover the MOB.

1) If the casulty is able, pull them in back first and sit on the Sponsons

2) if they have an injured leg roll them in using your hands, supporting the leg.

3) if you are on your own, going back to the "net" method but we were taught with webbing straps which can be used solo. these are very cheap and useful and stow easity. They tie on to the rope handles.

As for a VHF call out, we were told to do this if the casulty is unconcous or injured.

The easiest way to pull kids out is by their Lifejacket/Bouyancy aid, this I do regulary as a Sailing Instructor.

whiteminiman · 01 December 2006, 15:06

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Originally Posted by RAD

The easiest way to pull kids out is by their Lifejacket/Bouyancy aid, this I do regulary as a Sailing Instructor.

Can do that with most adults as well... although that relies on a well fitting bouyancy aid/lifejacket and possibly crotch straps as well, particularly for the more spherical people.

Cheers, WMM

jyasaki · 01 December 2006, 17:14

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Originally Posted by RAD

3) if you are on your own, going back to the "net" method but we were taught with webbing straps which can be used solo. these are very cheap and useful and stow easity. They tie on to the rope handles.

How many straps? 2? More? By rope handles, I assume you mean what most manufacturers call "grab lines"?

Thanks;

jky

Top banana · 01 December 2006, 19:16

On doing our advanced certificate, whilst pre ocuppied with been given a navigation task our kindly instructor Jono Garton decided to leave the vessel
without so much as a splash, and eject himself into the freezing water. on looking around on our usuall head check there was a clear deck No Jono!
After looking at each other in amazment and shear bewilderment i shouted Man over board and the training came straight into effect, and what a difference it makes when youve no idea it was going to happen, makes you realise that constant head checks are a must. and as for Jono that was training never to be forgotten.

The Jackeens · 02 December 2006, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Hightower

I was just curious as to whether anyone practises MOB procedure with real people. I know RNLI and other rescue services do. Perhaps next year a group of us could get together and practice before going to the Pub

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MOB practice sounds a good idea Andy and a few of us were chatting recently about perhaps undertaking First Aid at Sea training in 2007. with a qualified instructor. A refresher on MOB would be great.

(Perhaps in geographical areas (e.g. the Solent gang) we could book some group refreshers on various topics with local instructors and give them points out of ten (like Strictly Come Dancing!!!) )

Yes we were involved in the rescue of a full crew MOB on a Weymouth cruise. The guy driving flipped the boat and dumped everyone in the drink as the boat headed for the rocks near Poole.

A) Paul shouldn't have but did leap on board & salvaged the runaway boat. We should have fouled the prop with a rope.

B) We struggled with getting the heaviest crew member on board and he began to hang on near the back. As his feet swung for a hold on the cav plate and I grabbed his arms, a crew member panicked & she put the rescuing RIB in gear. I remember screaming thinking the guy would lose his legs but the skipper got back to the helm and sorted it all out.

What did we learn?

1) Use a rope to foul runaway (riderless) craft.
2) Go over safety procedures often
3) Practise safe ways of getting on board
4) Remember to communicate with each other even though the situation is very fraught. Before helping the guy who was reaching for A-Frame & transom, I should have ensured no-one was going to engage that engine.
5) It all turned out well despite quite a lot of panic. Credit really to the skipper of the rescuing boat for taking it all on & to Paul for salvaging the boat and I guess all of us for saving three lives!
6) Brambles has a point. Not sure about practising with real peeps as ordinary leisure ribbers?

BTW MOB is probably generic. We lady Ribsters are well used to overlooking assumptions like that

Recently heading back in the dark in Nauti's boat towards Littlehampton I did worry about MOB procedures and retracing/searching.

As it turned out we had safety escorts all over the place!

Kathleen

Hightower · 03 December 2006, 12:09

Yeh, that would be a good Idea Kathleen, a few of us together for some training.

With regard a Radio call to Coastgaurd, wouldn't it depend on conditions and experience. If it was a calm day and I could keep the MOB in sight I might try a recovery first. If the conditions were less than good and I had crew I would Pan Pan the coastgaurd. However if I were by myself and I could see where the MOB was and the Sea state was crap I wouldn't want to take my eye's of the MOB to make a radio call and would attempt the recuse myself first.

So it's not straight forward is it.

jwalker · 03 December 2006, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Hightower

So it's not straight forward is it.

Agreed, Mr Hightower.

prairie tuber · 03 December 2006, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Top banana

On doing our advanced certificate, whilst pre ocuppied with been given a navigation task our kindly instructor Jono Garton decided to leave the vessel
without so much as a splash, and eject himself into the freezing water. on looking around on our usuall head check there was a clear deck No Jono!
After looking at each other in amazment and shear bewilderment i shouted Man over board and the training came straight into effect, and what a difference it makes when youve no idea it was going to happen, makes you realise that constant head checks are a must. and as for Jono that was training never to be forgotten.

Wow! Sounds like he's immersed in his teaching methodology.

jackeen · 03 December 2006, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Hightower

Yeh, that would be a good Idea Kathleen, a few of us together for some training.

Following last night's discussion it was felt the following topics could be suitable for refreshing/practising

MOB drill
First Aid At Sea
Radio Refresher

Kevin is available for talks on sea survival

And Nash has some Lifeboats contacts who are generous & with their time & advice.
There are many excellent PBIs out there who could fit in with a bespoke booking.

K & P

Jimbo · 03 December 2006, 22:58

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Originally Posted by jackeen

Radio Refresher

This would be no problem at Haslar Sea School - small cost for using the classroom, I would happily give up my time and kit for a small donation per head to GAFIRS (and maybe a drink or 2 in a local hostelry!).

Hightower · 03 December 2006, 22:59

Radio refresher would be good. I don't use mine a whole lot as I nearly always go out by myself

I mean with crew

I just BARK my orders.

jackeen · 03 December 2006, 23:00

Now you're talking Jimbo...

Have someone lined up for First Aid at sea also Andy!

Hightower · 03 December 2006, 23:20

Wow this is taking shape nicely, I'm sure that GAFIRS would gladly donate a classroom at their headquaters if money was to be raised, perhaps someone at GARIFS could organise a Flare demo as well? Finished off with a BBQ.