MOT for Boats?

[lukewhiting]

Originally Posted by Ian M

No, because for me getting on the water means getting away from all that c__p! There is too much regulation on shore, lets not take it off shore with us.

Second that!

[SPR]

Originally Posted by biffer

NO. It would lead to less people looking after there own boats and thinking that they got a ticket so let go to where ever
YES to some form of maintenance training. Just basic stuff like trailer. Filters. Plugs. Steering. Greasing. Etc.
I shouldn't say this really as its my job. Who wants to do a course!

if your in Scotland or abouts - RYA Scotland are running a basic engine session at Big Weekend in Largs.

http://www.ryascotland.org.uk/events...Programme.aspx

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

No.

Given our conversation in your garage the other day about cowboy dealers/marine 'engineers' who on earth would you trust enough to do one?

NO!!!
You Obviously need to Find A Woman ALEX!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by lukewhiting

second that!

F******G A!!...
I dont know about the rest of you Nimrod's but sometimes I feel suffocated by Red Tape and Regulation,NOT TO METION .'P.C' Craaap!...WTF Do we Go Boating!???Give em MORE POWER???

[simon23]

The boat safty scheme is compulsary on the inland waterways it has to be passed every four years to enable you to get a licence and insurance.i build new narrowboats for a living and they have to pass this test from day one.no three years grace like you car mot.the test is mostly concerned with gas insterlation and venterlation.o and warning lables its mostly aload of crap, a £200 piece of paper from someone who is not liable for anything once he leaves the boat.more jobs for the boys.it dosnt matter what you do you'll always get some idiot trying to kill themselves.

[matt h]

Alex, Stop it and be quiet! your very mischievous

[whisper]

Originally Posted by matt h

Alex, Stop it and be quiet! your very mischievous

Matt, I'm being serious! I think it would work well with a water tax scheme!!!

[Mextli]

No taxes, please...

[whisper]

Originally Posted by Mextli

No taxes, please...

But if you paid it monthly by direct debit, you wouldn't miss it

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by whisper

Matt, I'm being serious! I think it would work well with a water tax scheme!!!

''Give a Man a Gun....and HE CAN ROB A BANK...Give a Man a Bank...AND HE CAN ROB THE WORLD!!.....and STILL Keep his BONUS! It's the Nature of the Beast!!
As for Politians................. Dont worry some Bright Young Spark,in one of the Government ''Think Tanks'' (Misnoma if there ever was one!) would Love to Stumble on a Nice new Juicey- Minority interest Tax...Like Boating MOT'S!!...

[Poly]

Originally Posted by whisper

I'm not saying there should or shouldn't be

But if the cost was £29.99 and it reduced your insurance by the same if not more?

(1) It probably won't be that cheap. MoTs are £45 ish and don't have the word marine in them! They are relatively easy to carry out once you have the ramps , rolling road etc, and focus only on the things which directly affect safety; and are based (for most vehicles at least) on type approved designs. The vehicle always comes to the testing station. A straightforward test is what half an hour? A fail (with free retest) often generates some extra £ for the tester. Not sure any of that will be true for a boat. Without the need to get one for VED (tax disk) and the presence of ANPR/VOSA Database I wonder how many more cars would be driving round without an MoT.

(2) The number of expensive outcomes for insurers which a boat test certificate would prevent will be tiny. Consider the worst case for an insurer is you kill someone else (usually operator incompetence). Next would be a total loss of the vessel, mechanical failure might be part of that - but reliability of engines wouldn't be tested. A chunk will cover accidental damage - like ripping the leg off on a rock. A good chunk of the premium is for theft/vandalism. Sinking randomly is rare, probably rarer still on boats which are insured, and rarer still if you are not the sort of boat which insurers already expect surveys for (every 10 yrs? for large yachts). Even if every breakdown resulted in sinking they still wouldn't be able to prevent them as most breakdowns are fuel related - which won't show up in a spot test. Insurance is probably less than £300 a year for most people. Are 10% of all claim values avoidable with good maintenance?

Now SeaStart probably could run a deal where - you get the boat serviced at an approved dealer and a 'clean bill of health' and then save that sort of money on membership? Especially if they got a small 'kick back' from their approved dealers!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Poly

(1) It probably won't be that cheap. MoTs are £45 ish and don't have the word marine in them! They are relatively easy to carry out once you have the ramps , rolling road etc, and focus only on the things which directly affect safety; and are based (for most vehicles at least) on type approved designs. The vehicle always comes to the testing station. A straightforward test is what half an hour? A fail (with free retest) often generates some extra £ for the tester. Not sure any of that will be true for a boat. Without the need to get one for VED (tax disk) and the presence of ANPR/VOSA Database I wonder how many more cars would be driving round without an MoT.

(2) The number of expensive outcomes for insurers which a boat test certificate would prevent will be tiny. Consider the worst case for an insurer is you kill someone else (usually operator incompetence). Next would be a total loss of the vessel, mechanical failure might be part of that - but reliability of engines wouldn't be tested. A chunk will cover accidental damage - like ripping the leg off on a rock. A good chunk of the premium is for theft/vandalism. Sinking randomly is rare, probably rarer still on boats which are insured, and rarer still if you are not the sort of boat which insurers already expect surveys for (every 10 yrs? for large yachts). Even if every breakdown resulted in sinking they still wouldn't be able to prevent them as most breakdowns are fuel related - which won't show up in a spot test. Insurance is probably less than £300 a year for most people. Are 10% of all claim values avoidable with good maintenance?

Now SeaStart probably could run a deal where - you get the boat serviced at an approved dealer and a 'clean bill of health' and then save that sort of money on membership? Especially if they got a small 'kick back' from their approved dealers!

There goes Poly 200 when ONE will do!!... NO!..!(Well a few more dont matter)

[kerny]

No. :nono:

[falcon0310]

Originally Posted by Ian M

No, because for me getting on the water means getting away from all that c__p! There is too much regulation on shore, lets not take it off shore with us.
Isn't it self regulating anyway, those that have safety as a prime requirement enjoy the water safely and come back for more, those that don't will probably figure in the Darwin Awards, or at least be put off for life.
I think that safety on the water is far more about how a particular craft is used, rather than any inherent fault that would be picked up by an 'MOT'.

there always be idiots but we get riped off enouff
ian right

[Ian M]

Originally Posted by biffer

NO. It would lead to less people looking after there own boats and thinking that they got a ticket so let go to where ever
YES to some form of maintenance training. Just basic stuff like trailer. Filters. Plugs. Steering. Greasing. Etc.
I shouldn't say this really as its my job. Who wants to do a course!

Yep, count me in, presume the tea will be included in the course fees

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by whisper

But if you paid it monthly by direct debit, you wouldn't miss it

No! And you need to get out more

[ShinyShoe]

Originally Posted by tonto

If a test were just basic safety equipment, and general condition of the hull, tubes etc, most of ribnetters boats would pass.

I'm less convinced. I'm sure the majority of hulls would be fine. There may be some over rated engines on transoms which I would expect to fail. Tubes are probably better on here than the average ebay rib and I'd guess you'd pump em up before you go through the doors of the test centre and theyd be OK for an hour or two even on most ebay ribs.

BUT safety equipment seems a different matter. There are features on my car I might not have paid for but because they are a legal requirement they are there. Boats would be simillar... Boat lights would seem an obvious starting place. VHF plenty have handhelds which may not always be with the boat. Must be a few folk on here who've left a broken VHF in the console because it avoids a hole in teh console and they are using a handheld instead. Discussion on here recently re flares. I'd half expect a MOT to say you must have a radar reflector. You'd get a regulation on what size (weight) anchor that then stiffles inovations like the plastic anchor. Thats before we get to EPIRBs etc. Then you'll get in the daft situation the MOT is where if something is fitted it has to work but having it fitted isn't mandatory.

But the thing most surprising about the thread... whisper started it... ...is this not the same guy who seems to buy and sell a new boat every week... would he not be permenantly living at the MOT center?

[Mextli]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

would he not be permenantly living at the MOT center?

Is that MoT and Breakfast then? Or Bed and MoT?

[Low Flyer]

Should be a tax on engine size,SIB club should be happy. Don't hide from taxation. It should give you a sense of giving. Knowing you are supporting the unemployed whilst enjoying your pass time!!

[whisper]

You all know I was joking about the tax

However a Safety Inspection, MOT, Check up or what ever you call it is not a tax.