Go Back   RIBnet Forums > RIB talk > RIBs & ribbing
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 26 June 2005, 19:44   #1
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Chelmsford/Anglesey
Make: Avon SR/RibLite 3.1m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda 30hp/Yam 8hp
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 970
My outboard caught fire yesterday!!

It never ceases to amaze me quite how many things can go wrong unexpectedly when you're on a boat. I was out for a potter on the River Crouch yesterday in my Avon Riblite 3.1m accompanied by RichL who was testing his Yam 2.5m tender and a couple of other friends in their 14' aluminium boat.

My Yamaha 4hp 4-stroke started well enough but ran jerkily right from the word go, which it has never done before. After about 500m it started backfiring and then stopped running altogether, whereupon it spontaneously ignited After a brief moment of contemplation, which was at least half a second, I realised I had little option but to unscrew the saddle bracket clamps and dump what was a three year old £600 engine in the sea before it caught the sponsons alight or blew up in my face! The insurance claim will be filed tomorrow morning.

Apart from being a particularly unpleasant experience, although inevitably RichL found the whole incident highly amusing and cursed himself for having forgotten his video camera, I would be interested to know if anyone has the faintest idea why it might have caught fire. I've never heard of a similar incident but I'd be surprised if this was a unique occurence.

I've had the engine from new and it's only done about 40hrs. I had it serviced by a Yamaha main dealer last autumn and the carb was cleaned out because a blocked jet was causing petrol to flood out of it. The engine ran perfectly since with no petrol leakage at all. This particular engine model has a well known design fault in that the fuel tank is sited so far from the carb that it takes up to 12 pulls to start it. It also readily leaks sump oil into the top of the cylinder causing problems with hot starting if the engine has been tilted up. Yamaha themselves admit the engine can be troublesome although failed to advise it might blow up in your face on occasion!

In addition, is it likely to be a problem with the insurance company that the engine is lying at the bottom of the River Crouch (it may be possible to retrieve it at LW Springs) or will the testimony of three independent witnesses be sufficient for them to pay out?
__________________
Phil Davies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 20:45   #2
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: london
Boat name: Frances May
Make: vailant DR450
Length: 4m +
Engine: mercury 50 hp
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 761
Send a message via Yahoo to Daniel TD5
hi phil

i think thats a hard one my insurance wanted pics of the damage sent to them with two quotes for repair and replacement then they paid up as good as gold

in your case your engine is under water and can not be rescued to be pictured in a burnt state and if you say i un hooked it leting it sink they may be a bit funny about paying out

i would speak to some one about the wording of the claim before you sent it in

any way hope you are ok

see you soon dan
__________________
GET A RIB GET A LIFE
Daniel TD5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 21:22   #3
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: NW/SW/Nigeria
Boat name: none
Make: none
Length: 6m +
Engine: none
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 147
Send a message via MSN to Action Man
get frendly with a diver
__________________
Action Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 21:57   #4
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Swinton Manchester
Length: 5m +
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 179
Send a message via AIM to Graham H
You could always tell the insurance you have saved them some money for throwing the engine overboard well done for your quick reaction
__________________
Graham H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 21:58   #5
exspyrd trayd membir
 
The Garfish's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Town: inn wiliks hed
Make: Redbay 6.5
Length: 6m +
Engine: Twin Etec 90hp
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Davies
I would be interested to know if anyone has the faintest idea why it might have caught fire.

RGP 7. fuk mee itt woz a gud shott.

gArf
__________________
luk arfter numbir wan, downt stepp inn numbir too
The Garfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 22:01   #6
Member
 
Kernow Buoy's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Cornwall
Length: no boat
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,518
Quote:
I am tentatively, and I stress tentatively, considering the new Aston Martin V8 Vantage.
Arson! with 2330 suspects!!
__________________
Kernow Buoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 22:09   #7
Member
 
Tim M's Avatar
 
Country: France
Town: Côte d'Azur
Boat name: Beaver Patrol
Make: Avon Searider SR4
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,934
My insurance has something in it about them paying the hole cost of any salvage. You could always argue with them that they can salvage it from the bottom if they want......if they are clever they will pay up.
__________________
Tim M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 22:16   #8
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Garfish
RGP 7. fuk mee itt woz a gud shott.

gArf
Only if it was the engine you were aiming for...
__________________
Jimbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 23:00   #9
DGR
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Barmouth
Boat name: Blue Marlin
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yanmar 315/Bravo 2X
MMSI: 235020218
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 827
Weird - my Yam 4HP 4-stroke went off on me today as well.

When I tried to start my outboard today it wouldn't turn over. Feeling like a bit of an arse at the quayside (in full view of loads of people), I decided to row out to the RIB - **** me - it was a long way.

ANYWAY - when we got back, the tide was running at 8kts, no way I was rowing against that - so I started to take my engine (5 hours old) apart on the mooring. I took the spark plug out, and the cylinder was full of oil. I have always stored it as Yamaha recommend (handle/oil reservoir downwards) so I'm baffled as to how it happened. Anyway, flush out the cylinder, clean the plug, reassemble - and away we go (smokily).

I have now built a stand to hold it upright, but I'm v. hacked off that it gets buggered up when you follow the instructions!! WHY design an engine that can be laid down flat, but can't!!

It seems to work now - been running in a bucket for an hour......

D...
__________________
DGR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 23:07   #10
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Make: HumberOceanOffshore
Length: 8m +
Engine: Volvo KAD300/DPX
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 5,596
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Garfish
RGP 7. fuk mee itt woz a gud shott.

gArf
__________________
JW.
jwalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 23:09   #11
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brittany/Portsmouth
Boat name: Merlin
Make: Solent 6.5
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200
MMSI: soon !
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,451
Crikey

Glad you're OK Phil.

P says did you have a leak in the fuel line?

Us
__________________
Happy New Resolutions!!! : RIBbing for the craic!!!
The Jackeens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 June 2005, 23:53   #12
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Chelmsford/Anglesey
Make: Avon SR/RibLite 3.1m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda 30hp/Yam 8hp
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 970
Thanks K. I suspect P is probably right!
__________________
Phil Davies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 00:02   #13
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Chelmsford/Anglesey
Make: Avon SR/RibLite 3.1m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda 30hp/Yam 8hp
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 970
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGR
WHY design an engine that can be laid down flat, but can't!!
Quite. I reckon 2-stroke is the only way to go for these small outboards which get chucked into car boots etc. My Yammie dealer told me that even if you have it laid down on the correct side, just driving the car round a corner quickly can be enough to force some of the sump oil into the cylinder I've hated that engine from the day I bought it and quite frankly the seabed is about the best place for it.
__________________
Phil Davies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 00:03   #14
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brittany/Portsmouth
Boat name: Merlin
Make: Solent 6.5
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200
MMSI: soon !
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Davies
I suspect P is probably right!
Bit scary all the same. Quick thinking by yourself !

Handy to have the fire extinguisher at hand; must do a double-check myself now.

K.
__________________
Happy New Resolutions!!! : RIBbing for the craic!!!
The Jackeens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 08:09   #15
Member
 
Nick Hearne's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Bucks
Boat name: Blue & Ding Dong
Make: Ribeye,SR4 & Bombard
Length: 6m +
Engine: 115,50 & 15Hp Yams
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,252
Just one comment, on my tender I have always had a length of rope attached to the outboard & the transom! If this had been the case you could have dunked it the pulled it back up!
Bit late for you Phil I know, but may help someone else!
Nick
__________________
Nick Hearne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 08:18   #16
Member
 
Country: Belgium
Town: NIVELLES BELGIUM
Boat name: INDEPENDENT
Make: BWM RAPIER
Length: 9m +
Engine: Ob 2*250/2t yams hpd
MMSI: 235030702
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 885
Quite. I reckon 2-stroke is the only way to go for these small outboards

I can let you have one of my 200 yams 2t -for a small price. You will have to have pistons/sleeves.carbs done-but it will put you back in circulation- they weigh in at 210 k.

Sorry to hear that happened -obviousely a leak . Cant think of anything else- as you stated a "coughing" start. Freightening. Could have blown up.Does codders have an RPG-7? He has NVG's and I wonder what else he has picked up ex army surplus?

Jonathan
__________________
eupa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 09:35   #17
ADS
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,410
Quote:
Originally Posted by eupa
Quite. I reckon 2-stroke is the only way to go for these small outboards

I can let you have one of my 200 yams 2t -for a small price. You will have to have pistons/sleeves.carbs done-but it will put you back in circulation- they weigh in at 210 k.

Sorry to hear that happened -obviousely a leak . Cant think of anything else- as you stated a "coughing" start. Freightening. Could have blown up.Does codders have an RPG-7? He has NVG's and I wonder what else he has picked up ex army surplus?

Jonathan


A 200HP Yamaha on an Avon Riblite 3.1m
Lets have a go!


Alex
__________________
ADS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2005, 21:43   #18
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ipswich
Boat name: Obsession
Make: ORKNEY PILOTHOUSE 20
Length: 6m +
Engine: SUZUKI 70
MMSI: 235024496
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 390
Sorry to hear that Phil,glad your OK.I think you did the right thing throwing it over board,it could have been alot worse.A safety line on it might have been handy you could have dunked it in the water and then lifted it out.
__________________
Never be scared of the sea but always respect it.
www.aquasnaps.co.uk
Wayne Rogers is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT. The time now is 18:59.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.