New Flybridge 11M

[tonymac]

Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

V nice boat though for what it is.

You have gotta be nuts, an ugly, un impresive rib / cabin cruiser or a Targa 33 for the same money, let me think about that for a nano second, o yeah, Targa, Targa, Targa, all day (and night) long.
AND it stops becoming a RIB the minute you put a cabin on it.


Stops being a rib when the tubes don't touch the water, as there is no longer any inherent stability over a normal boat at rest. you just have a long inflated fender, and some are so small they'd make no difference in rough weather.

Are u guys serious?

have you actually LOOKED at a redbay?
Have you ever been ON a Redbay?
Are yu really saying that ribbsters aspire to be in Targas?

You really ought to do a bit of homework on what a RIB is and some thinking about what you want from it.

Look at Redbay's photos even and talk to some people who have actually been on them before shooting from the hip boys.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by sarahscottiedog

You have gotta be nuts, an ugly, un impresive rib / cabin cruiser

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Having seen one in real life - I'm not sure they photograph well. Have you been on board / helmed an 11m redbay and a targa 33 to give a comparison of the sea keeping? I've not - but would be surprised if the redbay feedback was "unimpressive".

AND it stops becoming a RIB the minute you put a cabin on it.

I don't follow. So Biffer's boat or PeterR's which both wave sleeping space are not ribs - yet they both look like "proper ribs". Are Redbay/Excalibur wraparounds only RIBs when the roof is folded down. I'm not sure why you feel the need to draw lines and say that is/isn't a rib - if it does what the new owner wants surely thats all that matters.

Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

Stops being a rib when the tubes don't touch the water,

I'm not convinced by your argument but it looks to me like the big redbay's toobs are in the water.

[Scottish diver]

Before I bought my current rib I looked at Targas and test drove a couple (30 & 31's) in light to moderate seas, dont get me wrong they are great sea keeping boats IN LIGHT SEAS, but once the sea gets up, they arent a patch on the Redbay ribs. I utilise my RIB for offshore diving (sometimes 40-50 miles off the coast) and I have to say I feel safe with a twin engined cabin RIB. Yesterday we were out in a what I would consider a very rough sea for diving and we cruised back effortless after the dive doing 25+ knots.....

[Mollers]

Has 'Targa' become the generic term for a sports cruiser, or are you guys refering specifically to Fairline Targas? If so, Fairline stopped making the 33 Targa yonks ago, the 38 is the entry model now. Cranchi still make the 33 Endurance which is very similar. The Cranchi Endurance boats are superb VFM, better build quality than a Fairline for considerably less money.

[Scottish diver]

Botnia targa....

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Scottish diver

Botnia targa....

Ah right, thanks.

No looker is she?

[willk]

Now now, no fighting you lot. Yer all crotchity and spiteful but I'm in great tune, having had a loverlee day at Redbay HQ, ribbin', checking out the Bloodstock and pinching small pocket sized bits

For which I must thank my good friend BogMonster - his astute observation regarding the "viewing panel" in the Head was noted and having been summonsed to observe, I can confirm here that Corrective Measures have been taken. Modesty will be preserved in Southhampton. Tom had overlooked this matter, as he doesn't encourage crew to avail of the Easing Facilities, but on reflection he realised that this policy might not work in busy waters...
He did enquire as to "how Luxton managed not to traumatise the penguins on his scow" ...or something

[willk]

Who would have guessed that "Targa" was the magic word (I'm going to keep saying it now). I guess my comment was a kind of Heresy of sorts.

This is where I generally quote everyone and act the bollix but having achieved an almost Zen-like state of Tranquility today, I shall instead make a few observations:

1. When posting earlier, I was referring to the sea-keeping qualities of the two boats. I've seen both boats running in lumps off the Faroes and I know which boat I'd prefer to have been sitting in. And that's strapped into the KAB seats on the Redbay, rather than bounced around the campervan interior of the Botnia Targa.

2. Having posted the Infamous Targa Comment, I drove to Redbay, just in time to find IV Maggie being prepped and fueled for her delivery trip to Southhampton. I'd seen her build and layout earlier, but the final fitout was a revelation. She's a new departure for Redbay and hard to describe in a few lines. All the technology and power is still there, but she has a standard of fitout and finish that I have not seen previously at Redbay. In short, she's a top spec Discovery compared to her Defender antecedents. I'd venture Range Rover, but I'm sure there's still more to follow. I have seen the interiors of both Redbays and Botnias and I can say that the finish in IV Maggie is easily the equal of the Botnias. I think the layout is superior and mercifully you don't have to step out on deck to have a wizz/shower. No-one will be cooking on the navigation console of the Redbay either, unlike the Botnia. Without question, the comfort/safety of the passengers will be better in the Redbay. All said, if I had a quarter mill to blow, I know where it would be going...

3. Redbay make RIBs. 19 years ago they made their first, having previously specialised in simple clinker style hardboats called Fishwishers, I mean FibFishers, I mean Fastfishers! The development of a RIB like IV Maggie in a quiet cove in Antrim is (for me) a miracle of sorts. And RIB she is. She flys like a RIB and she quacks like a RIB. What else could she be?

I saw this sticker on Tom McLaughlin's new Corryvreckan today. For me, it said it all...

[willk]

And so, while I'm still in a good mood (19.5 hours and running), I will share yet another pic with you.
____

Tractor won't start then Tom?

No worries, Gary has 630 horses right there to push start her

[HUMBER P4VWL]

Horses for courses obviously. If you're offshore diving, using commercially for pretty much any reason, the rib is the way to go. Don't think anyone purports the targa is better in the rough.

IMHO though, IV Maggie is based in southhampton and looks kitted out for leisure. Making assumptions that may be unfounded, I would imagine it will be used for cruising when weather is fair to middling. In that case a targa is certainly more comfortable and has more room/deck space and IMO a much more luxurious vessel to stay on.

It appears redbay are heading in to targa customer territory and whilst I'm sure fit out has improved I wouldn't imagine there is much of a market share for them there with rich cruising g and t drinking cruisers going to Ireland or jersey for the weekend.

I'd love either boat personally! Bit like arguing over a discovery and x5. Both good.

[willk]

Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

It appears redbay are heading in to targa customer territory and whilst I'm sure fit out has improved I wouldn't imagine there is much of a market share for them there with rich cruising g and t drinking cruisers going to Ireland or jersey for the weekend.

Ah well, 19.75 hours is a record anyway.

There's a lot of guesswork in that post, HP.

First off, AFAIK you haven't seen the inside of IV Maggie, so I'm not sure how you can make ANY comparison on fitout/finishes, good or bad. I may be biased and/or wrong, but at least I've seen them both.

As regards market share, Redbay only knock out around ten 11M models a year, so they aren't a huge threat to Botnia. However, I do know they have a couple of ex-Targa owners on their client list. One came over after losing his Targa wheelhouse windows to a wave and flooding his Missus! If you look over the launch reports over the last couple of years, you'll see a few boats went to the Channel Islands, and I know there's a few more over there with a "lower profile" . I suspect a few G&Ts get nailed on board.

We'd really have to ask the owners why they spent that kind of money on a RIB.

However, I think we could investigate this further. We should persuade neilda to buy one of each and then we could have a RIBnet cruise to test them. Never say I don't have good ideas

[biffer]

Originally Posted by willk

Ah well, 19.75 hours is a record anyway.

There's a lot of guesswork in that post, HP.

First off, AFAIK you haven't seen the inside of IV Maggie, so I'm not sure how you can make ANY comparison on fitout/finishes, good or bad. I may be biased and/or wrong, but at least I've seen them both.

As regards market share, Redbay only knock out around ten 11M models a year, so they aren't a huge threat to Botnia. However, I do know they have a couple of ex-Targa owners on their client list. One came over after losing his Targa wheelhouse windows to a wave and flooding his Missus! If you look over the launch reports over the last couple of years, you'll see a few boats went to the Channel Islands, and I know there's a few more over there with a "lower profile" . I suspect a few G&Ts get nailed on board.

We'd really have to ask the owners why they spent that kind of money on a RIB.

However, I think we could investigate this further. We should persuade neilda to buy one of each and then we could have a RIBnet cruise to test them. Never say I don't have good ideas

i've got a hard boat cruiser and a rib, i'm in the throws of buying a beneteau swift trawler 34 as well, there are times when it's uncomfortable to go in the hard boat, the rib by design is better at going over the waves rather than through them, i've got 3 mates with fairline targa's 38 & 39 and in a choppy sea i'd rather be in the rib, different story when we are moored in a bay somewhere of course, the difference between classes of boats is more blurred now than ever, all i would say is buy what you want and sod every body else

[M.Thornton]

It will be interesting to see how my 11m redbay "Bluewater Raven" and 11m "Skellig of Sark" compare with the scorpions in the Great British rib rally in June
the fleet will do 2000 miles. We will do 2600 miles starting and finishing in Lancashire. Knackering or what!

[Siochair]

How big are the fuel tanks on the Redbay? I'm curious as to the useful range they have.

[HUMBER P4VWL]

Originally Posted by M.Thornton

It will be interesting to see how my 11m redbay "Bluewater Raven" and 11m "Skellig of Sark" compare with the scorpions in the Great British rib rally in June
the fleet will do 2000 miles. We will do 2600 miles starting and finishing in Lancashire. Knackering or what!

Sounds fun, wish I had the time money and skill/knowledge to do it. Good luck!

[Callum Stewart]

We have had a RB 6.1 with 150hp Outboard , 7.1 with 275hp Yamaha diesel & now have moved to a 11mtr with twin 300hp Yamaha diesels. When looking at replacing the 7.1 we looked at more or less all types of boats in the 10 to 12mtr range the likes of Fairline targas, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Elan Power. With the Cruisers you get a lot more space and boat for your money but these boats are only usable to cruise in sea conditions up to force 4 and after this point you can start to do a lot of damage to these boats if you run them hard. This is where the 11mtr Redbay is in a class of its own. You would have to experience the sea conditions that these boats can take and you would give up long before the 11RB will. Any one that has done any long range rib cruising would appreciate the comfort you get from these ribs. How many boats are capable of travelling 200 miles + at 25kn in most sea conditions in one day with a bit of comfort?
Fuel tanks twin 450ltr 375mile range.

[M.Thornton]

Originally Posted by Siochair

How big are the fuel tanks on the Redbay? I'm curious as to the useful range they have.

She can run for 20hrs so 4 to 500 miles

[HUMBER P4VWL]

Originally Posted by Callum Stewart

We have had a RB 6.1 with 150hp Outboard , 7.1 with 275hp Yamaha diesel & now have moved to a 11mtr with twin 300hp Yamaha diesels. When looking at replacing the 7.1 we looked at more or less all types of boats in the 10 to 12mtr range the likes of Fairline targas, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Elan Power. With the Cruisers you get a lot more space and boat for your money but these boats are only usable to cruise in sea conditions up to force 4 and after this point you can start to do a lot of damage to these boats if you run them hard. This is where the 11mtr Redbay is in a class of its own. You would have to experience the sea conditions that these boats can take and you would give up long before the 11RB will. Any one that has done any long range rib cruising would appreciate the comfort you get from these ribs. How many boats are capable of travelling 200 miles + at 25kn in most sea conditions in one day with a bit of comfort?
Fuel tanks twin 450ltr 375mile range.

Botnia targa and fairline targa are very different beasts. Botnia are used by customs etc and would fair well in much more than force 4, I've been out a few times in 6ish and still pelted along, but I still accept RB better in the last 5% of extreme weather due to tubes.

[philb]

Originally Posted by M.Thornton

It will be interesting to see how my 11m redbay "Bluewater Raven" and 11m "Skellig of Sark" compare with the scorpions in the Great British rib rally in June
the fleet will do 2000 miles. We will do 2600 miles starting and finishing in Lancashire. Knackering or what!

Are we racing or cruising Mr Thornton :-) look forward to meeting up on the 12th....have a good trip down. Regards Phil.

[Siochair]

[quote=Fuel tanks twin 450ltr 375mile range. [/quote]


Thanks for the info