new type of seat - Page 2

nik · 08 May 2010, 21:17

The chap was telling me that the arms are machined out of a solid block of marine grade aluminium alloy, which sounds expensive.
I am sure it would be possible to use pressed steel and welded in collars, or drop forging the aluminium.
£750 is quite a bit cheaper than the ullman seats, and I presume they sell.

Jorgos · 08 May 2010, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Hightower

Getting back on subject, Craig let me have a good look at these seats today. Obviously the ones on the RIB were set up for a lighter person so was a little squishy for me but can be adjusted by a little air pump that comes supplied with each seat. I'd have loved a Sea trial, but that proved impossible due to it being a two seater and me having my two kids with me.

As for the comfort, it felt OK, a little hard but there was a promise that a new neoprene cover was being developed for further comfort.

£750 does seem expensive, but if proved to be as good as the other shock mitigation seats I saw today would be very good value and a fraction of the cost.

The other advantage is that you'll be able to use it with standard jockey seat pods, so won't compromise on the storage (very important in a small RIB) and easy to retrofit on any jockey. This might me a very popular seat if the price comes down and might cause a storm in after market sales.

So I for one will be keeping my eye on it.

do you have a contact? please send a pm

nik · 08 May 2010, 23:42

the only contact I have is:
enquiries@coastalpro.co.uk
However, if you do a domain name search, you will get the full postal address.

Jorgos · 09 May 2010, 00:36

Thank you!!

Hightower · 09 May 2010, 00:44

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Originally Posted by nik

the only contact I have is:
enquiries@coastalpro.co.uk
However, if you do a domain name search, you will get the full postal address.

He gave me a leaflet but that's the only contact info that's on it.

Hightower · 09 May 2010, 00:51

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Originally Posted by nik

The chap was telling me that the arms are machined out of a solid block of marine grade aluminium alloy, which sounds expensive.
I am sure it would be possible to use pressed steel and welded in collars, or drop forging the aluminium.
£750 is quite a bit cheaper than the ullman seats, and I presume they sell.

I'm going to make the assumption that this is what he needs to be selling this product today to guarantee a return. There for if this takes off big time I would expect the price to come down to about £500 per unit which is cheap in comparison to a double console costing £1000 or an A frame at £800 etc. How much would upholstery cost on a standard seat base and back? £150?

bedajim · 09 May 2010, 07:51

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Originally Posted by Hightower

I'm going to make the assumption that this is what he needs to be selling this product today to guarantee a return. There for if this takes off big time I would expect the price to come down to about £500 per unit which is cheap in comparison to a double console costing £1000 or an A frame at £800 etc. How much would upholstery cost on a standard seat base and back? £150?

So you think he'll drop the price by a third if it sells??

Nos4r2 · 09 May 2010, 07:56

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Originally Posted by bedajim

So you think he'll drop the price by a third if it sells??

Doubt it somehow-it's cheaper than Ullman's offering so if it sells he'll have the price right.

Besides,it's too specialist a product to make it high volume,low return.

bedajim · 09 May 2010, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Doubt it somehow-it's cheaper than Ullman's offering so if it sells he'll have the price right.

Besides,it's too specialist a product to make it high volume,low return.

I was thinking if it sells well why would he drop the price??

Nos4r2 · 09 May 2010, 08:16

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Originally Posted by bedajim

I was thinking if it sells well why would he drop the price??

That too.

Occam's Razor is usually quite sharp

Poly · 09 May 2010, 08:52

Are these ScotSeats? I'm sure he hinted somewhere here that they were developing a seat that would retrofit on a jockey console?

spartacus · 09 May 2010, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Are these ScotSeats? I'm sure he hinted somewhere here that they were developing a seat that would retrofit on a jockey console?

That's what I thought. £750 a pop is still expensive.

Hightower · 09 May 2010, 09:22

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Originally Posted by bedajim

So you think he'll drop the price by a third if it sells??

All I'm saying is that by producing more of these seats the production costs would go down thus enabling him to reduce the price if he felt the need and selling even more.

I think the key to selling these seats on mass is to sell them to people that already have Jockey seating on their boats ie the used market. To get someone to pay £3000 on a second hand RIB for four suspension seats isn't going to happen in my mind.

The market is huge for these seats if the price is right and £750 per seat is too much IMHO he needs to be pitching to the aftermarket sector.

Would you be tempted to buy four of these seats for Jigsaw?

Hightower · 09 May 2010, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Are these ScotSeats? I'm sure he hinted somewhere here that they were developing a seat that would retrofit on a jockey console?

I had a conversation with a guy from Scotseats yesterday. He did confirm that they were developing a pod/jockey mounted system.

Ian M · 09 May 2010, 09:28

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Are these ScotSeats? I'm sure he hinted somewhere here that they were developing a seat that would retrofit on a jockey console?

No. I talked to the guys on the Scotseats stand and questioned them on this very point. They showed me the prototype which still had a few minor issues - it is very much simpler than their full cantilever seat.

Poly · 09 May 2010, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Ian M

No. I talked to the guys on the Scotseats stand and questioned them on this very point. They showed me the prototype which still had a few minor issues - it is very much simpler than their full cantilever seat.

Ah OK, two jockey seat retrofit suspenion seat suppliers - now that does have the potential to drive down prices!

Hightower I know what you are saying, £750 each is too much for most people to fully kit out a boat with suspension seats. BUT most people don't need suspension seats at all. Of those that do they are probably less likely to be out with a full compliment of passengers in the conditions that demand them - so you are looking at 1 or 2 seat per boat unless for the "bling" factor, or the serious hardcore ribber - who may well have differnet priorities for their budget than the leisure user.

Hightower · 09 May 2010, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Ah OK, two jockey seat retrofit suspenion seat suppliers - now that does have the potential to drive down prices!

Hightower I know what you are saying, £750 each is too much for most people to fully kit out a boat with suspension seats. BUT most people don't need suspension seats at all. Of those that do they are probably less likely to be out with a full compliment of passengers in the conditions that demand them - so you are looking at 1 or 2 seat per boat unless for the "bling" factor, or the serious hardcore ribber - who may well have differnet priorities for their budget than the leisure user.

Still its £1500's worth.

We'll just have to see what develops

bedajim · 10 May 2010, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Hightower

Would you be tempted to buy four of these seats for Jigsaw?

You mean so I can go out when it's windy and lumpy not me

ZodiacFuturaMk2 · 10 May 2010, 11:15

Craig took me out on the Saturday afternoon in this little Ribcraft 4.8 and to be fair I was amazed at these seats. I myself have a R/C 4.8 and we were slamming into waves at full throttle that I would usually have to dip the throttle for.

I thought they would be fairly comfortable but not as good as the scots or ullmans - I was pleasantly surprised. They worked extremely well.

As for £750 - In my opinion this is very cheap for what they are - if you know the price of the scots / ullmans im sure you will agree!!

The next incarnation will apparently have full jockey padding too although these ones were more comfortable in use than they looked.

Hope they take off - many people are waiting for a good ShockMit retro fit seat!

Cheers

G

phillnjack · 11 May 2010, 16:54

Anyone paying 750 for one seat needs to have their brains examined.
they are obviously getting paid too much and have no idea of real value.
Someone earlier said about the arms being made from marine grade alluminium ? well thats not too expensive anyway.
Making them from steel would be no good as for weight etc, and the cost wouldnt be that much different.

Anyone wanting to make their own should check out the bases on some old office chairs
then cut down to size and fit their own seat tops.

But £750 ha ha ha what if you need 6 seats

phill