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18 April 2021, 20:15
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No brainer to swap?
My boat currently has a 2005 Verado 250 with 700 ish hours.
I have the opportunity to swap for a basically brand new 2018 Verado 250 with 36 hours on it (been in a warehouse for 2 years as original owner swapped to 2x350hp engines).
The cost to change is going to be about £5-6k. To me this feels like a no brainer..?
I wasn’t planning on changing and there is nothing at all wrong with the current one (just spent best part of a grand on various bits and bobs) but...
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18 April 2021, 21:44
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Originally Posted by jakew009
My boat currently has a 2005 Verado 250 with 700 ish hours.
I have the opportunity to swap for a basically brand new 2018 Verado 250 with 36 hours on it (been in a warehouse for 2 years as original owner swapped to 2x350hp engines).
The cost to change is going to be about £5-6k. To me this feels like a no brainer..?
I wasn’t planning on changing and there is nothing at all wrong with the current one (just spent best part of a grand on various bits and bobs) but...
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Sounds like a "goer" to me.....IF the RIB is worth the up-grade (you'll increase the re-sale price on the RIG as a whole anyway! ) and as long as you can know or can verify the hours and History 100%
Any warranty from supplier ? I take it the engine is from a Trader? Rigging in the deal?
....and 5K is better than 6k
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18 April 2021, 21:54
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Country: UK - England
Town: Barnstaple
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Originally Posted by Maximus
Sounds like a "goer" to me.....if the RIB is worth the up-grade (you'll increase the re-sale price on the RIG as a whole anyway! ) and as long as you can know or can verify the hours and History 100%
Any warranty from supplier ? I take it the engine is from a Trader? Rigging in the deal?
....and 5K is better than 6k
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It’s got best pet of 3 years manufacturer warranty left, I can’t verify the hours but it looks like new...
No rigging but that’s why it’s cheap. Will bring it in from the USA. 5-6k depends how much I get for my old one when I resell it
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18 April 2021, 22:03
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Country: UK - England
Town: Farnborough
Boat name: Narcissus
Make: Cobra
Length: 7m +
Engine: Optimax 225
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Ah! Likely to be more complex than you're expecting unless you're familar with the ins & outs of it all. In particular, I would say the majority of people that I know who have imported stuff "blind" have ended up disappointed. The most successful ones have imported stuff by flying out there, buying it, and taking it to the shippers themselves.
Is the 25% tariff on top of VAT & Duty still in place? One buddy got stung by that recently.
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Will bring it in from the USA
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18 April 2021, 22:07
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Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
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Engine: DF140a
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Originally Posted by jakew009
It’s got best pet of 3 years manufacturer warranty left, I can’t verify the hours but it looks like new...
No rigging but that’s why it’s cheap. Will bring it in from the USA. 5-6k depends how much I get for my old one when I resell it
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Would the warranty still stand if you import it from the US? Would it be classed as a grey import? Would there be duty & VAT to pay? Might not turn out to be the bargain it sounds. Not wanting to pee on your parade, but things to consider.
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18 April 2021, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Would the warranty still stand if you import it from the US? Would it be classed as a grey import? Would there be duty & VAT to pay? Might not turn out to be the bargain it sounds. Not wanting to pee on your parade, but things to consider.
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It’s only the rigging that I will need to buy from the USA, the engine itself is UK.
I’ve bought quite a few Mercury parts off some outfit in Florida. They are cheaper and they deliver quicker than my local dealer 2 mins down the road
I needed three new cowl latching cables a few weeks ago. None in UK, dealer had to order them, and Barrus had no stock and no eta available.
Ordered them from USA eBay. Turned up 3 days later at less cost than UK dealer wanted
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18 April 2021, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Matt
Ah! Likely to be more complex than you're expecting unless you're familar with the ins & outs of it all. In particular, I would say the majority of people that I know who have imported stuff "blind" have ended up disappointed. The most successful ones have imported stuff by flying out there, buying it, and taking it to the shippers themselves.
Is the 25% tariff on top of VAT & Duty still in place? One buddy got stung by that recently.
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I’ll just buy the rigging from USA. The engine is in the UK already
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18 April 2021, 22:30
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
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Originally Posted by jakew009
It’s only the rigging that I will need to buy from the USA, the engine itself is UK.
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Ahh! I misunderstood. I thought the engine was in the US. In that case I’d be tempted to go for it.
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18 April 2021, 23:21
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Country: UK - England
Town: suffolk
Boat name: not yet
Make: Gemini + XS
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 140/merc 60
Join Date: Jan 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jakew009
My boat currently has a 2005 Verado 250 with 700 ish hours.
I have the opportunity to swap for a basically brand new 2018 Verado 250 with 36 hours on it (been in a warehouse for 2 years as original owner swapped to 2x350hp engines).
The cost to change is going to be about £5-6k. To me this feels like a no brainer..?
I wasn’t planning on changing and there is nothing at all wrong with the current one (just spent best part of a grand on various bits and bobs) but...
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Having done similar myself i reckon buying the engine keeping it in the shed and ordering a new boat to put it on later is a better option buying the engine out your back pocket and selling your boat complete to fund ,the biggest winner the other way will be the person who buys your old engine ! and the rigging money /fitting
just another angle ,dont think theres any right or wrong here ,think the maths possibly relates to the % of the current boat value and the value uplift you will realise ,however that doesnt matter if you not wanting an upgrade
what i am trying to say i think is you will increase your boat value but i dont think you will increase your equity
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19 April 2021, 08:53
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Country: UK - England
Town: N. Devon
Boat name: (Not Another) Nutkin
Make: Highfield
Length: 6m +
Engine: Outboard, Honda 135
MMSI: 232036183
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So long as you're happy with the deal, will update and improve what you have then go for it.
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19 April 2021, 08:55
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Town: Farnborough
Boat name: Narcissus
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Fair enough. Sounds like a done deal then.
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Originally Posted by jakew009
I’ll just buy the rigging from USA. The engine is in the UK already
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19 April 2021, 09:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Fair enough. Sounds like a done deal then.
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Just paid for it
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19 April 2021, 12:04
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jakew009
Just paid for it
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[emoji106]🤞 good luck, let us know how it goes.
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19 April 2021, 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
[emoji106]🤞 good luck, let us know how it goes.
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Daren't post on the other thread about buying something unseen off a Facebook post
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19 April 2021, 12:26
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Town: South Yorks
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Make: Ribcraft
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Quote:
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Daren't post on the other thread about buying something unseen off a Facebook post
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What could possibly go wrong [emoji6]?
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19 April 2021, 19:30
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Town: Farnborough
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@Jake How have you found the current Verado? I remember when they first came out everyone was pretty blown away by them (But there were some questions about whether the supercharger rotors would last in a salt environment) albeit I think people missed the V6 2-strokes.
But it always seemed the big 2-strokes took a lot of effort to keep reliable and, in all honest, the number of people in the country I'd trust to keep one of the reliable, I could count on one hand.
And now they have a 600hp V12 Verado which looks like a fantastic piece of engineering. Does anyone know if any are coming to the UK?
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20 April 2021, 14:38
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Originally Posted by Matt
@Jake How have you found the current Verado? I remember when they first came out everyone was pretty blown away by them (But there were some questions about whether the supercharger rotors would last in a salt environment) albeit I think people missed the V6 2-strokes.
But it always seemed the big 2-strokes took a lot of effort to keep reliable and, in all honest, the number of people in the country I'd trust to keep one of the reliable, I could count on one hand.
And now they have a 600hp V12 Verado which looks like a fantastic piece of engineering. Does anyone know if any are coming to the UK?
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I don't have a lot to compare to but I think its probably fair to say the supercharged Verado's have turned out to be one of the best outboard engines ever made. Mercury barely changed the design in 17 years which tells you a lot...
Super quiet and proved to be incredibly reliable. And the electronic controls and power steering etc make them lovely to use. If you go on the big American forums like Hull Truth even the most ardent Yamaha fanboys admit that the 6cyl Verado was a good'un.
It'll be interesting to compare one of the first 6cyl Verado's to one of the very last of the production line. I think apart from a minor improvement in fuel consumption, there is going to be basically no difference at all.
I'm sure a few of the 600HP engines will end up in the UK but it doesn't seem very practical with our fuel costs and lack of waterside petrol. They are designed as a replacement for the big American centre console with 4 or 5 450HP engines hanging off the back. Don't see very many of them in the UK either...
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21 April 2021, 17:51
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On a pallet being collected tomorrow
It’s got more wrapping on it now
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21 April 2021, 18:44
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Town: Borlange
Boat name: Optima Vita
Make: XS
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki 2 x 250
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Beautiful piece, will feel like a new boat almost.
Will be interesting to hear about the difference in fuelconsumption.
Something must have happend in 13 years.
Good luck swapping!
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21 April 2021, 18:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jakew009
On a pallet being collected tomorrow
It’s got more wrapping on it now
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Looking Good!
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