Not wearing a kill cord

[JSP]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

Did you spill your tea?

No but I think I leaked!

[Phil]

I ave always thought that Shaun's advice was correct; If for instance you are in a big following sea and feel the back end twitching at the bottom of the wave you need to put on the power pronto; if at that moment the engine is killed the likely effect is a broach -not nice

[Dirk Diggler]

As for setting an example, take a look at page 69 of this months Rib Int, and you'll find a couple of photo's of I believe Paul Glatzel demonstrating a recovery of a MOB, and he's not wearing a life jacket himself, very poor show from someone in his position!

[The Garfish]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

he's not wearing a life jacket

downt bee a twatt yew twatt. hee duzunt nead wan. hee cann wark onn de worter

garF

[BassBoy]

OUTRAGEOUS!
Maybe he should fire himself!!!!!

[Paul Glatzel]

Just had an email to enlighten me to my appearance now on two live threads on RIB.net. I haven’t been this popular since I chipped a bit of gelcoat off Mr Kennet’s new RIB many years ago – but that’s another story!

Methinks one or two people are being a tad mischievous (Mr Bassboy I know exactly where you sail so I shall have retribution in my own time ! And Mr Diggler – do we know each other as you seem to know much about where I service my boats too? Feel free to PM me with your identity).

I fully agree with the need to wear a lifejacket when afloat however when walking along a pontoon and faced with a damsel in distress (Okay not a damsel but Mrs G) i leapt into the RIB to save her and got photographed in the process.

In all seriousness it is a fair point and one that is easy to overlook when doing photos for a magazine. I was tied up to the pontoon and the boat was going nowhere but it is not easy to tell that from the photos. After all often perception and image are more important than the facts and there is a need to always create the right impression.

Hope this clears things up.

Regards

Paul

[Jimbo]

Paul,

Good that you've jumped on to this thread to reply, sounds fairly straightforward.

It springs to mind that when I did my Dinghy Instructor training we did a lot of shore drills for tacking and gybing etc, and it was always stressed to us that we should wear a buoyancy aid whenever we were in a dinghy, whether or not it was floating. I think this thread hijacking highlights why the Coaches felt that important!

Cheers,

Jimbo

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

.. take a look at page 69 of this months Rib Int, ..

Now, why would you be reading such a publication?

[BassBoy]

Hi Paul
Me thinks u are over reacting! (please don't take any retribution out on my boat!)

We have all been guilty of not wearing a PFD for various reasons, myself included.

I was alluding to Doug S' policy of 2 strikes and you're out. Do you do the same?

[PeterM]

Blimey !!! - Paul - an excellant example of a common sense explanation of not wearing a lifejacket.

[Paul Glatzel]

I was alluding to Doug S' policy of 2 strikes and you're out. Do you do the same?

Bassboy - Hi, no don't have this written to our Staff Handbook and to date have not felt the need to do so. I suspect if we had an issue with it then we might but i'd like to think everyone we work alongside knows the rules (they certainly read them, have them explained and sign up to all of them) and abides by them. Famous last words!!

Regards

Paul

[TangoTango]

Apart from not wanting to be told what to do, are there any reasons for not using a kill cord? Seems to me that the risk of a boat running out of control is worth avoiding even if the possibility is remote.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by TangoTango

Apart from not wanting to be told what to do, are there any reasons for not using a kill cord? Seems to me that the risk of a boat running out of control is worth avoiding even if the possibility is remote.

if you read elswhere in the thread where Codprawn quoted Shaun White.

Essentially in some very specific circumstances where the consequences of losing power could be catastrophic, e.g. in very rough seas; or when working very close to a lee shore. However to argue that it is better not to have a kill cord in those circumstances - I think you need to have a second helmsman immediately primed to take the controls if required (rather than just someone else on board who could take over if required).

[TangoTango]

Yes I see but that could be incorporated if the rules were changed? After all we have collision rules which vary according to circumstances.

[Doug Stormforce]

Originally Posted by TangoTango

Yes I see but that could be incorporated if the rules were changed?

There are no rules to change.

What you are therefore suggetsing is introducing legislation into an area that does not have a wide spread problem.

I think we all know that legislation costs money, requires policing, is generally written by those who do not underatsand the under pinning issues and is often ineffective.

Why so many Brits seem to want our lives to be more restricted and for the government to interfere in how we spend our leisure time is beyond me.

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

There are no rules to change.

What you are therefore suggetsing is introducing legislation into an area that does not have a wide spread problem.

I think we all know that legislation costs money, requires policing, is generally written by those who do not underatsand the under pinning issues and is often ineffective.

Why so many Brits seem to want our lives to be more restricted and for the government to interfere in how we spend our leisure time is beyond me.

Hear hear!!!

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

There are no rules to change.

What you are therefore suggetsing is introducing legislation into an area that does not have a wide spread problem.

I think we all know that legislation costs money, requires policing, is generally written by those who do not underatsand the under pinning issues and is often ineffective.

Why so many Brits seem to want our lives to be more restricted and for the government to interfere in how we spend our leisure time is beyond me.

Yes!

[jwalker]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

There are no rules to change..............
............Why so many Brits seem to want our lives to be more restricted and for the government to interfere in how we spend our leisure time is beyond me.

It's beyond me too.

Control freak Britain, maybe.

[simonnud]

I don't mean to drag on but another example of magazines showing people driving ribs without a kill cord and life jacket on the front cover of Rib International.

The skipper driving a rib which is a tender to a well known super yacht must have got qualifications from somewhere he may even be a professional.

Now in his defence there is no one else on board but even so.

If that is not bad enough then if you go to the back cover there is another example of people not wearing lifejackets.

I still don't want to sound like an old women but I do think that publications should practise what they preach and that is safe boating for all.

[codprawn]

I know it's shocking. There was a programme on the other day and it showed a kid on a boat not wearing a lifejacket. He was running around the deck and then he actually jumped in the water!!!

I couldn't believe what I was seeing - he did a strange thrashing sort of motion and then pulled himself back onto the boat. There were quite a few other people doing the same thing. There should be laws against this - they even seemed to be enjoying it!!!