Oh dear

Dirk Diggler · 07 December 2006, 13:14

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/200...29mbmnews.html

Europe says NO to cheap diesel.

Nick Hearne · 07 December 2006, 13:20

Now you know why Peter7 just bought a big v8 petrol!

codprawn · 07 December 2006, 13:32

Shit if this comes into force it will kill off a lot of the boating industry. Ah well there will be loads of cheap marina berths around!!!

alt · 07 December 2006, 13:33

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Shit if this comes into force it will kill off a lot of the boating industry. Ah well there will be loads of cheap marina berths around!!!

Is this going to effect the value of diesel boat's in the UK

Aidan · 07 December 2006, 13:40

Oh dear.
What about Agri diesel for the farming community? Most of the cost is tax anyway lads, so start lobbying.

The Agri Diesel (greenI think) is still cheap over here so I am guessing that there will be many Rib Runs in teh direction of Carlingford Lough and Howth.
You are all welcome (seeing as I live on west coast where we make our own!!!!)
What about that, Teh Bio fuel is a` comming.

I think we pay some 70 cent per Ltr for Diesel not used on the road...
Maybe less and maybe you can get the vat back on it if going back to uk as it should not be subject to tax there if its used up on the way.

A bit like drinking the duty free on the plane.........
Brown bags and bags of ice, oh dear did I say too much...

wavecrosschris · 07 December 2006, 15:41

what a sad day for boating in the UK.

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/200...10mbmnews.html

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/200...53mbmnews.html

simmons0 · 07 December 2006, 17:04

So fishing boats will still be able to fill up with red?
or will they be filling up like us and then claiming back money?

I can see this being almost impossible to police and having so many ways to beat it.
We'll see.

H.

rickuk3 · 07 December 2006, 17:22

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Originally Posted by simmons0

So fishing boats will still be able to fill up with red?
or will they be filling up like us and then claiming back money?

I can see this being almost impossible to police and having so many ways to beat it.
We'll see.

H.

I have been told that as a comercial user we will just fill up as normal and claim the duty back for any vessel classed as commercial. One of the problems they have to sort out is if a non-commercial vessel has diesel heating fed from the main fuel tank the fuel used for heating will still be exempt.

codprawn · 07 December 2006, 17:23

Most countries who disagree with an EU law just choose to ignore it - of course Britain has far too many jobsworths for that!!!

alt · 07 December 2006, 17:37

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Originally Posted by rickuk3

I have been told that as a comercial user we will just fill up as normal and claim the duty back for any vessel classed as commercial. One of the problems they have to sort out is if a non-commercial vessel has diesel heating fed from the main fuel tank the fuel used for heating will still be exempt.

I hear those diesel heaters use an awful lot of fuel

rickuk3 · 07 December 2006, 17:49

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Originally Posted by alt

I hear those diesel heaters use an awful lot of fuel

About 15l a day at full bore, probably a lot more to heat an open diesel rib

alt · 07 December 2006, 22:48

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Originally Posted by rickuk3

About 15l a day at full bore, probably a lot more to heat an open diesel rib

Don't forget they burn a lot more when set to "high"

IanE · 07 December 2006, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Aidan

The Agri Diesel (greenI think) is still cheap over here so I am guessing that there will be many Rib Runs in teh direction of Carlingford Lough and Howth.

Green diesel Carlingford (october) €1.00 per l
White Diesel tesco 0.99c per l
Green Diesel Malahide Marina(august) 0.86c per l
Red Diesel Ardglass CO.Down 0.60p per l

So maybe the queue won't br that long???

Ian

alt · 08 December 2006, 17:57

I pay 72c / litre for Agri Diesel

If they come out with the truck and I order more than €150 of the stuff it's only 70c

IBWET · 10 December 2006, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by simmons0

So fishing boats will still be able to fill up with red?
or will they be filling up like us and then claiming back money?

I can see this being almost impossible to police and having so many ways to beat it.
We'll see.

H.

The main thing for me will be the police stopping your boat to check (if that's how they decide to do it). Presently my car is legal, but when you pass a traffic car there's a certain amount of dread that you are going to be stopped for something..There are so many laws re transport, you are breaking the law a large percentage of the time just leaving the house, from hard window wiper rubbers to incorrectly inflated tyres.

But when you are on the water I personally feel a sense of freedom, in control of my own destiny (self reliance for myself, a duty of care to others, a community) laws which would force police into spot checks would erode the freedom. I think legislation is being fought against compusory lifejackets by the RYA, could be wrong there, let hope it's just not another one on the list.

bogib · 10 December 2006, 10:24

The fundemental question to me is this, is it fair that those of us who decide to by our boat with outboard or petrol inboard engines (which is cheaper to buy and make us able to enjoy our hobby (sport)) but we have to pay full high street prices (in UK at extra cost at marinas, in Iceland forbidden to sell at higher prices than advertised at their petrol stations), if you however have decided to go for diesel engines in my meaning you have been given rewards from the authorities by beeing able to "red" diesel at lower cost and that has been unfare.

I as boat salesman have been selling more boats powered by petrol engines and the justification is simple: here the price difference between petrol and diesel option can be as much as GBP 7.000,- and if we give us that price difference is 50p you can by some 14.000 litres and given us again that the petrol engine you choose to go for (more powerful and give you more speed and more fun) use double you still ends up with beeing able to buy some 7.000 litres giving you long time of fun and enjoyement.

I have also pointed out strongly ofcourse it will hurt your pocket every time you dill up but you have to bear in mind what you have saved in the first place, then I have not mentioned if you had the GBP 11.000 cash available and putted in the bank you would have some extra litres of petrol for the interest.

This may sound cruel for you diesel owners but it has been my campaign in my boat club and I have been often let down by my collegies at the board as all of them except one are running diesel.... but I ofcourse have wanted more to have "red" petrol for us the gusslers... but as second option price of diesel going up.... unfortunately this seems to be the case... but at least there is fair justice coming up between petrol and diesel owners in terms of prices for the neccesity liquid.

My opinion is this will results in one thing for sure here in Iceland at least that boat sales will not be so much about engine type more what boat people like to by and they will go for larger ones powered by petrol engine.

I am glad that at last this unfair difference is to be behind us, although as stated before I wished for petrol price to go down.

Bogi

MikeCC · 10 December 2006, 12:51

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the EC said: "The applicant Member States may adopt measures aimed at alleviating or mitigating problems of transition to the regime of standard taxation."

Of course in France or Italy that process could take years and years but I expect the Government will implement it pronto to grab those extra few quid.

Further to comment earlier about police, it will be Customs who will grab you and as some people know, they are a lot more active on the water than pliod.

codprawn · 10 December 2006, 14:23

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Originally Posted by MikeCC

Of course in France or Italy that process could take years and years but I expect the Government will implement it pronto to grab those extra few quid.

Further to comment earlier about police, it will be Customs who will grab you and as some people know, they are a lot more active on the water than pliod.

Exactly - most countries who disagree with an EU law just ignore it.

In fact, a few years ago, I remember our glorious leader saying it was unfair the way Britain stuck to EU laws whilst other countries ignored it - he said it gave them, an unfair advantage etc and that Britain would follow suit. Two weeks later they announced the launch of a new satellite to spy on what crops OUR farmers were growing to make sure they stuck to EU laws!!!

timboli · 13 December 2006, 09:13

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/newsd...38ibinews.html

jwalker · 13 December 2006, 11:47

That's good news. It'll save me rushing to fill my storage tanks before the end of this month.