Opinions please.... - Page 4

Mollers · 25 October 2007, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Polwart

So are Pacific 22's dangerously underpowered too?

That would depend on it's engine!

ribit · 25 October 2007, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Polwart

So are Pacific 22's dangerously underpowered too?

Read an article about a group of guys wind surfing across the Atlantic, they had a large safety vessel equipped with around 6x22' with low powered engines in the seas encountered some of the boats became unusable as they could not maintain any forward motion against the seas... I can not really remember any small details thou as it was many years ago

Pete7 · 25 October 2007, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Polwart

So are Pacific 22's dangerously underpowered too?

Hope not, the RN have been using them for both routine and emergency stuff on board there ships for 25 years. The specification didn't change much during that time so presumably the RN felt Halmatic got it right the first time.

For the private user if your happy with a 25 knot cruising speed then a P22 will get you into a diesel engined rib for £10-12k depending on condition and that has to be tempting.

As for the Prosport well it might be a nice cruising boat. Remember Alan Priddy crossed the Atlantic with a 7m rib and 165 hp, without a good sea trial your never going to know what she is like.

Pete

Lostboy · 25 October 2007, 13:11

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Originally Posted by ribit

Read an article about a group of guys wind surfing across the Atlantic, they had a large safety vessel equipped with around 6x22' with low powered engines in the seas encountered some of the boats became unusable as they could not maintain any forward motion against the seas... I can not really remember any small details thou as it was many years ago

You mean this race in 1998. I remember tales of problems getting them on and off the ice-breaker that they were using as the support ship but not of them being underpowered. I can ask the question though. (They had some awesome conditions if you can find any video or photos of it you'll see what I mean!).

Pete7 · 25 October 2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by ribit

Read an article about a group of guys wind surfing across the Atlantic, they had a large safety vessel equipped with around 6x22' with low powered engines in the seas encountered some of the boats became unusable as they could not maintain any forward motion against the seas... I can not really remember any small details thou as it was many years ago

This one?

http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/MA....3.4/tawr.html

"they learned only that poor weather in Greece, where the RIBs were under construction"

Pete

Lostboy · 25 October 2007, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Pete7

This one?

http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/MA....3.4/tawr.html

"they learned only that poor weather in Greece, where the RIBs were under construction"

Pete

I'd forgotten all about that farce. The 98 TAWR was a huge success for sponsors, the sailors that did it etc. I went down to Weymouth to see them in and the reception was good. Even more incredible to see Robert T (the madman from New Caledonia) jump from the bridge of the Icebreaker into the
bay, about 80ft!

codprawn · 25 October 2007, 14:28

130hp not enough to push a 7m RIB through the water?

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/CUX014

This tug only has 200hp and is also an icebreaker!!!

Many displacement craft only have low hp engines - torque is so much more important. I used to go out on an old wooden trawler - 50' long - weighed 25 tons and that engine was only 150hp - had no trouble in rough seas or pul;ling massive nets.

Mollers · 25 October 2007, 14:56

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Originally Posted by codprawn

130hp not enough to push a 7m RIB through the water?

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/CUX014

This tug only has 200hp and is also an icebreaker!!!

Many displacement craft only have low hp engines - torque is so much more important. I used to go out on an old wooden trawler - 50' long - weighed 25 tons and that engine was only 150hp - had no trouble in rough seas or pul;ling massive nets.

Yeah, that was hugely geared down and spinning a 3ft prop, it might've done 8 knots on a good day. C'mon Codders, I know you're not that daft.

codprawn · 25 October 2007, 15:24

Nah it was 5' actually!!!

I know these are extreme cases but I would suspect that a 130hp diesel would have far more low down grunt for rough water work than a petrol engine operating at similar speeds.

Mollers · 25 October 2007, 15:59

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Nah it was 5' actually!!!

I know these are extreme cases but I would suspect that a 130hp diesel would have far more low down grunt for rough water work than a petrol engine operating at similar speeds.

Possibly, but this is a rib . There aren't too many displacement ribs, although this could be one.

ribit · 25 October 2007, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Lostboy

You mean this race in 1998. I remember tales of problems getting them on and off the ice-breaker that they were using as the support ship but not of them being underpowered. I can ask the question though. (They had some awesome conditions if you can find any video or photos of it you'll see what I mean!).

No No surely it can't be that one not that long ago...I must of got trapped in a time bubble

codprawn · 25 October 2007, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Mollers

Possibly, but this is a rib . There aren't too many displacement ribs, although this could be one.

In very rough seas speeds are so low you could well be off the plane anyway.

bedajim · 25 October 2007, 23:06

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Originally Posted by codprawn

In very rough seas speeds are so low you could well be off the plane anyway.

that will be that f9 again

and sorry but what was the title of this thread

codprawn · 25 October 2007, 23:19

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Originally Posted by bedajim

that will be that f9 again

and sorry but what was the title of this thread

It was about the opinion of a certain RIB and I WAS trying to stick to the point of how the engine may not be as bad as some people think - others seem to delight in taking it off thread by making silly remarks.........

Poly · 25 October 2007, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Pete7

Hope not, the RN have been using them for both routine and emergency stuff on board there ships for 25 years. The specification didn't change much during that time so presumably the RN felt Halmatic got it right the first time.

For the private user if your happy with a 25 knot cruising speed then a P22 will get you into a diesel engined rib for £10-12k depending on condition and that has to be tempting.

As for the Prosport well it might be a nice cruising boat. Remember Alan Priddy crossed the Atlantic with a 7m rib and 165 hp, without a good sea trial your never going to know what she is like.

Pete

Pete - I think that was precisely my point. Similar sized engine in similar sized (but presumably lighter) boat - which might not be fast - but no one would call dangerous.

Downhilldai · 26 October 2007, 00:00

What about this instead?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ribcraft-6-8-m...QQcmdZViewItem

Similar size, more power, but jetdrive

CraftyBuoys · 29 October 2007, 15:33

I have seen alot of the Prosport RIBs around St Peter Port. They seem to have such a large overhang on the hull, that it would strike me as a very hard ride. Looks like a GRP platform ontop of what looks like a good hull, shame otherwise looks ok for the money. There dont look great but hey, there not alot of money compared to other boats of similiar size.

I have also heard some horror stories about certain people attacking the moulds with a chainsaw!! to modify the deck for a beamer layout. Whats that about??

codprawn · 29 October 2007, 16:09

The overhang is what gives the boat such a dry ride. The overhang is well clear of the water so it doesn't matter - the ride is extremely soft.

CraftyBuoys · 02 November 2007, 00:22

Ha im sorry but Ive just been out in one today and I have to say it was AMAZINGly bad!! slapped like hell, yes was dry but when you come down into a wake the over hang slaps badly. very uncomfortable. I looked at the hull and my 17 year old daughter could make it better the hull looked all un even and the boat was no where near the standard of say a second hand old ribcraft etc. Would I buy one? yes for the dry ride, but a big no for everything else. Im sory but there are cheap and I found out today why.