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Old 16 July 2018, 12:26   #21
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Nice Pics Andre...Ive always like the Parker RIBs I've seen out and about.
Personally I also like seeing the under deck layout/structural stuff...and it shows to some degree the manufacturer has pride and faith in his product

Any decent maker would I'm sure have no problem letting a prospective Buyer (making a considerable investment) see some aspects of the actual Build process where and when possible.That was certainly the case at Rib Craft when I purchased...and I'm sure most reputable Builders would be willing to do the same.
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I don't understand the structural need or function of cross bracing in the hull, of which the Parker ribs have a lot. Can you enlighten me André?
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I don't understand the structural need or function of cross bracing in the hull, of which the Parker ribs have a lot. Can you enlighten me André?
Have you ever had a ride on a Parker Baltic RIB especially in heavy weather. If not I highly recommend one. The exceptional ride has a lot if not all to do with the hull design and construction.

I am not a naval architect but that kind of construction has been done from day one (day one was in 2004 ) and it works for us to our customers satisfaction.
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I don't understand the structural need or function of cross bracing in the hull, of which the Parker ribs have a lot. Can you enlighten me André?
....How do Humber do it then?
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....How do Humber do it then?
Heavy duty longitudinals.

But it's not a Humber thing I'm querying. A rib hull is highly stressed longitudinally so I was wondering what the thinking is in using so much cross bracing. I'm not being critical, just wondering about the design decisions.
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Heavy duty longitudinals.

But it's not a Humber thing I'm querying. A rib hull is highly stressed longitudinally so I was wondering what the thinking is in using so much cross bracing. I'm not being critical, just wondering about the design decisions.
I'm no Marine engineer ...but It seems logical and intuitive to conclude the Cross members Laterally actually strengthen the Boat Longitudinally as well ,on the Brace and load spreading principles,and indeed throughout the WHOLE Hull...
Couple that with a suitably strong well designed (and well made) Fibre glass outer Hull and you give the RIB some of the handling qualitys and capabilities we love
These Matrix designs are after all tried and tested over many decades,in waters and conditions all over the World ...and found to be the best solution for a Deep Vee design the strength to lightness equation and ...versatility..ie.whilst still enabling integrated under deck fuel tank/s,trunking for engine controls and feeds,different deck/seating/cabin layouts ect.
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I'm no Marine engineer ...but It seems logical and intuitive to conclude the Cross members Laterally actually strengthen the Boat Longitudinally....
Is it?
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Is it?
.....Well I suppose you did buy a Humber
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I prefer molded stringers.
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please may i ask for more info what you mean and why ? thanks your opinion is very valued
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Only the Parker 510 & 650 have moulded stringers

see photo of the 650 under deck
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please may i ask for more info what you mean and why ? thanks your opinion is very valued
A fiberglass mold is made of the stringer system. Then, the stringer can be easily replicated out of fiberglass. As long as the correct trimming is done and the laminate schedule is followed, the stringer system is the same every time.

This is easiest to accomplish with a passive stringer, since then, they require no coring.

Active stringers require a core of some sort. You could foam in molded stringer after bonding to the hull, but it's added labor which adds money. Many US boatbuilders do this.

For the builder I work for, rather than glassing the molded stringer in, we assemble it with an elastic-type bonding putty (lots of elongation before failure). That way, even if the boat encounters SERIOUS stresses, the gelcoat may crack due to overelongation, but the hull/deck/stringer bonding will never be affected.

We also limit our use of cores. Where we do use cores, they are all synthetic, and we default to "heavy duty". Coosa 26 lb for transoms/consoles, Lantor Coremat for seats/consoles, and divinylcell for decks. Hulls are solid glass with a buildup of technical fabrics, usually stitched mats. We also default to NPG/ISO gelcoats, and ISO/DCPD resins for all processes. We're experimenting with VE blends for various other processes. World class boatbuilding at its finest.
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Only the Parker 510 & 650 have moulded stringers

see photo of the 650 under deck
That's a pretty good looking web-stringer system!
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