PBI Skills Assesment session tomorrow !!!!!

[Chris]

Surely all the guy is doing is getting the qualifications that will enable him to go on and learn the job. Any employer worth his salt is going to want to see his CV and will note the lack of experience in say night navigation so will likely start him off on duties more befitting hie experience.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi

2 days.....3 days of training doesnt sound like very much.

I think ill get a bag of magic beans & plant them & see what sort of certificate grows, it would probably take longer to grow the certiificate than it seems it takes to do a course to get one...

Zubenelgenibi, I think you are being unfair. To qualify as a PBI, you essentially need to do the following (there may be ways of shortcutting some of this - but this is the "normal" route, and I think very similar to what the OP has posted).

RYA PB Level 2... 2 days
RYA (or equiv) First aid certificate... 1 day
5 seasons of powerboat experience (or 1 full time).

And

a VHF certificate 1 day
and Dayskipper Theory 5 days (the formal qualification is not required but the level of knowledge is - so its going to take that amount of personal learning time one way or the other).

THEN you can do the PBI course - 3 days

and then you are still not qualified to go out and issue certificates willy nilly to other people. AFIK you can only run courses as part of an RYA approved training centre under the supervision of a Senior Instructor.

The OP is actuallly doing this as part of a combined/condensed course which lasts 3 weeks, but still has the requirement for a PB2 and 5 seasons experience (or 1 full time).

[Top banana]

Originally Posted by Chris

Surely all the guy is doing is getting the qualifications that will enable him to go on and learn the job. Any employer worth his salt is going to want to see his CV and will note the lack of experience in say night navigation so will likely start him off on duties more befitting hie experience.

seems like your damned if you do and damned if you dont.
but as you and polwart say, he will get the jobs in line with his cv and experience.

[MIRO Stewart]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

This is a common misconception. It is a three day course and moderated by a second trainer on the last day. The two trainers together decide if someone passes or not.

Maybe it was 3 days!? I remember it being 2 but the maybe it was 2 plus the third with the second guy there.

Actually, now I think about it prob was 3 days I think it mustve been the third with the second guy that's thrown me.

[Doug Stormforce]

Polwart is quite right, there are a number of hoops to jump through before you get to the PBI course.

As Chris says all Will is up to is getting the tickets. Once he has done that an employer will have the task of training/developing him.

[Zubenelgenubi]

Originally Posted by Polwart

Zubenelgenibi, I think you are being unfair. To qualify as a PBI, you essentially need to do the following (there may be ways of shortcutting some of this - but this is the "normal" route, and I think very similar to what the OP has posted).

RYA PB Level 2... 2 days
RYA (or equiv) First aid certificate... 1 day
5 seasons of powerboat experience (or 1 full time).

And

a VHF certificate 1 day
and Dayskipper Theory 5 days (the formal qualification is not required but the level of knowledge is - so its going to take that amount of personal learning time one way or the other).

THEN you can do the PBI course - 3 days

and then you are still not qualified to go out and issue certificates willy nilly to other people. AFIK you can only run courses as part of an RYA approved training centre under the supervision of a Senior Instructor.

The OP is actuallly doing this as part of a combined/condensed course which lasts 3 weeks, but still has the requirement for a PB2 and 5 seasons experience (or 1 full time).

I guess it is a good thing to endeavour to attain the certificates, what irked me a little perhaps is the apparently blase attitude / approach in enquiring about the course on a forum the night before the assessement & his subsequent pass.It is also hard to imagine someone having spent "1000's of hours" on a boat & have little or no knowledge of navigation. I had problems in getting insurance for my RIB (even though I have a qualification far superior to any of the following) as I didnt have a RYA / ISA (Irish Sailing Association) qualification / PB qualification yet it appears it is not difficult to attain these qualifications.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi

I guess it is a good thing to endeavour to attain the certificates, what irked me a little perhaps is the apparently blase attitude / approach in enquiring about the course on a forum the night before the assessement & his subsequent pass.

yes - he's young and niave! he hasn't passed the course - he's just passed the entrance exam. I'm guessing its possibly not his money that would have been wasted if he failed - that tends to focus the mind!

It is also hard to imagine someone having spent "1000's of hours" on a boat & have little or no knowledge of navigation.

actually its quite easy, e.g. safety cover at a sailing club; driving a 'yacht taxi' etc can all require very little navigation - but rack up the hours.

I had problems in getting insurance for my RIB (even though I have a qualification far superior to any of the following) as I didnt have a RYA / ISA (Irish Sailing Association) qualification / PB qualification

thats surprising - as its made almost no difference to mine!

[willk]

Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi

what irked me a little perhaps is the apparently blase attitude / approach in enquiring about the course on a forum the night before the assessement & his subsequent pass.

Oh! There you go, it appears that the voice in my head was not gaRfie in the event, but Zube.

Originally Posted by Polwart

thats surprising - as its made almost no difference to mine!

I can corroborate Zube's experience with the Insurers. They do like their paperwork over here

[Willbrooksy]

I agree with everything said and im also supprised myself at how easy it is so far and as someone said, it is a scary thought that I or particular members of my course can go out with 12 ppl with lives in their hands and In a certain case....VERY scary!

However, as others have also said just because I have that qualification doesnt necessarily mean I will go the whole hog and become a offshore skipper instantly but if I fancy charging some sailing clubs for safety boat/resuce duties etc - i can do it, but as I say, I have no intentions of using it to full extent now or in near future!

Also feel I should mention that i can handle a boat just as well as the 3 or 4 RNLI coxwains I go out with on a regular basis and my only weakness (however serious it may be) is navigation but im working on it and enjoying it!

[chewy]

Originally Posted by Willbrooksy

Also feel I should mention that i can handle a boat just as well as the 3 or 4 RNLI coxwains I go out with on a regular basis and my only weakness (however serious it may be) is navigation but im working on it and enjoying it!

How do you know this?

[MIRO Stewart]

Originally Posted by chewy

How do you know this?

Was about to ask the same question!!

[Willbrooksy]

messing about really! coming along side, pacing, swift water games

[Willbrooksy]

I knew saying that would lead to that question lol but felt it was appropriate

[chewy]

Originally Posted by Willbrooksy

messing about really! coming along side, pacing, swift water games

So you think you can handle a boat just as well. I doubt very much that you can. Unless you've been out with them when its rough on the same boat then how do you know?

[Willbrooksy]

on many occasions in a few different boat in a few different places !

[Willbrooksy]

but we can discuss this all nite n not reach an agreement so we will have to just leave it or meet up at a rib rally or sumfin and a few games ourself lol

[willk]

[Willbrooksy]

Originally Posted by willk

haha havnt seen that picture for a long long time ! that was before we had even brought her lol

[chewy]

Originally Posted by Willbrooksy

on many occasions in a few different boat in a few different places !

Originally Posted by Willbrooksy

messing about really! coming along side, pacing, swift water games

So you've put a few different boats alongside in a few different places?

[chewy]

Originally Posted by willk

Is he working out how to trim the engine in?