Petrol Storage

Doug Stormforce · 05 February 2008, 17:11

Just read this
http://www.ukpia.com/industry_issues...e_of_fuel.aspx

Basically says metal containers up to 10l- is this wrong or have regs changed recently? I have loads of 20l metal cans

SeaSkills · 05 February 2008, 17:26

I've got a load of 20 litre jerrycans - I thought they were OK for diesel but this article says that diesel should be treated the same as petrol.

I'm going to be stuffed if I'm limited to max 2 10l containers.

There must be ways around this. The local lifeboat and the yacht club both have metal cabinets with lots of 5l canisters - anyone know what legislation governs there storage?

ChrisB123 · 05 February 2008, 18:27

Just done a google on the subject and the regs (Petroleum (consolidation) act 1928) states that 275ltrs of petrol/fuel can be stored domestically.

hamster · 05 February 2008, 18:44

Hi Doug

Take a look at this document from the RYA website

http://www.rya.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/F...GEOFPETROL.pdf

This suggests that it is ok to transport fuel in Jerry cans and outoard fuel tanks.

At Spinnaker I store my fuel in a trailer in 25 litre outboard tanks (approx 250lin total). These can simply be put into the boat when required with out the need to keep pouring fuel from jerry cans. The trailer has a locking lid and is chained to the ground.
When I need to fill the tanks I simply tow the trailer to the garage and fill then up. I have a Fire extinguisher mounted on the outside of the trailer and carry a fire bucket (sand) in the trailer incase I spill any. I also carry a copy of this document in case anybody gets funny with me.

We have an arrangment at the local garage where we have an account that we can fill up this amount of fuel. I do get some funny looks from other customers some times when they see me filling up this many cans and I did go one evening and there was a new guy working there who got arsy with me and refused to sell me that much fuel into plastic cans and refused to come out and look at them or check the regulations or contact his manager. A quick word with the manager the next day resolved the issue and i assume the guy got a slap from his boss as he's been nice as pie since!!!

One think that may be worth checking is whether your truck is a 'car' or 'van' and this will effect how much fuel you can carry in it according to this document. May be worth a call to RYA Legal department.

Graham

SeaSkills · 05 February 2008, 18:54

Very useful. Thanks Graham

codprawn · 05 February 2008, 20:35

What about a 1000L IBC of diesel or heating oil???

Doug Stormforce · 05 February 2008, 20:58

Graham

Thanks for link, very useful, hope it is up to date.

Question to all- Are their any 20l metal cans on the market that dont flake paint into the fuel all the time

codprawn · 05 February 2008, 21:16

I have seen some stainless ones about but I bet they are expensive. Better to go to plastic.

I agree the paint flakes are a major problem. I either use a donkey's dick with a mesh filter or a seperate filter funnel but it would be nice to to have to!!!

Just found this - good old Google

http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=951

SeaSkills · 05 February 2008, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Question to all- Are their any 20l metal cans on the market that dont flake paint into the fuel all the time

Try this http://www.microlightsport.co.uk/Cat...new_list_1.htm

Paul Beaurain · 05 February 2008, 22:05

Doug
I bought stainless cans, when I anticipated the fuel blockade causing problems. each 20L from Demon Tweeks .or tweaks?
These people specalise in motorsort accessories. The cans then were £100 each (was it 2001?)
They have a website
cheers
Paul

codprawn · 05 February 2008, 22:27

Demon Tweeks are great - based in North Wales

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/produc...code=JER6750-0

£125 ex vat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy Smith · 05 February 2008, 22:36

whats wrong with plastic 20/25 lts they are the right shape (low centre of gravity)and £25 - £30 ?

Doug Stormforce · 05 February 2008, 23:42

Thanks guys

Ive got no problme with the transportataion, my truck is classed as a van however The law here http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-9.htm basically sais I can not move to 20l European stamped plastic cans to replace the existing jerry cans. However this article may also be out of date, its said written 1997, to be reviewed 2003

hobbit555 · 06 February 2008, 19:30

you do need a licence to store large ammounts ( just like a farm or similar) am not sure about keeping it in small containers.

Storage is covered by COSHH and storage method and Location would need to be risk assessed. Labled appropiately.
Hazechem rules would apply for transporting Large quantities

An outdoor centre I used to work only permitted it to be transported in an open trailer or pick up. fuel quantities were what we used for up to 6 boats.
It was stored in a seperate store with fire drenching system, and labeled.

Un fortunatly I cannot remember quantities as The grey matter is aging, and I have been out of the outdoor centre now for 10 years

TonyC · 06 February 2008, 19:56

As a commercial centre, we keep a fairly large quantity of fuel in our petrol locker (small concrete structure with fire resistant lining & ventilation) and we used to have a licence from the Council to store up to X amount of fuel, however we were notified quite a while ago that we no longer needed a licence to store fuel.

This is from the Trading Standards Website:

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On 9 December 2002, a new set of Regulations called The Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 came in to force. These say businesses storing petrol in cans and / or drums no longer need a licence but must the must comply with the new regulations. The regulations expect each business to carry out a risk assessment and then introduce or maintain appropriate precautions to minimise the risk of a fire or explosion.

Also, all our excess fuel (i.e. not in an actual petrol tank) is currently located in 10L Explosion proof containers because it needs to be transported from our fuel depot (we're council owned) to the centre via Land Rover which has explosion warning stickers etc front & rear.

codprawn · 06 February 2008, 20:54

That looks wide open to me - just like they now get hotels etc to carry out their own fire checks - the country has gone mad!!!

alystra · 06 February 2008, 22:20

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Originally Posted by codprawn

That looks wide open to me - just like they now get hotels etc to carry out their own fire checks - the country has gone mad!!!

Good old socialism. Create lots of new laws to pander to every idiotic pressure group that makes a noise. Then find that people can't actually go about the business of living without breaking the law, so create lots more new laws to allow them to do what the other new laws say they can't.

Except that all the reasonable sensible safeguards have been removed, because they were not necessary, because it's all illegal so no one will do it!!

But this petrol thing is very confusing. By the looks of it my car may not be insured when I do the 32 mile round trip to collect fuel

ch5120 · 11 February 2008, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Graham

Thanks for link, very useful, hope it is up to date.

Question to all- Are their any 20l metal cans on the market that dont flake paint into the fuel all the time

I have about 151,000 20l metal cans outside my office, all of the non flaking variety....trouble is they belong to the Government so it may not like me giving them away!