Piranha "Nab Dash" Amateur Rib Race

[Tim M]

Originally Posted by Polwart

not normally with cash prizes.

What's the difference in legal/official terms between a race where you win a trophy/bottle of booze to a small wad of cash?

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Tim M

What's the difference in legal/official terms between a race where you win a trophy/bottle of booze to a small wad of cash?

I‘ve no idea what the difference is. I'm not even sure what constitutes a race and what is a bunch of friends seeing who gets home first! But if the shit hits the fan I'd bet the "tolerance" for participants/organisers of amatuer events is far higher than professional races.

[Scoobysnax]

Originally Posted by Carl

the full list of safety equipment is long,however most people will have alot of it already,apart from the personal clothing and helmets,and also a second kill switch,i wonder who the ood is,safety officer,scrutineers and so on,

Where is the list of safety equipment requirements, would be useful to see this before entering

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

My insurance excludes racing. I suspect quite a few others does too.

Anyone have any idea how much it'd cost to add it for one day?

Most unlikely you'll get insurance at all - at RYA races it includes third party cover.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Most unlikely you'll get insurance at all - at RYA races it includes third party cover.

I thought that might be the case.Could this be a bit of a non-starter given what's in the Ts and Cs about insurance in the quote below (copied directly from the entry form)?

Originally Posted by Nab Dash Entry PDF

RULES & REGULATIONS:
· Ribs must race in the category that is relevant to their rib size
· All ribs must have either a fixed or handheld VHF radio for race channel and safety reasons
· Any rib can enter the open class (excluding Jet Ribs and Zapcats)
· There must be a minimum of 2 people on each rib and all entrants must be aged 18 or over
· Ribs must pass through all gates which will be clearly marked on the race map
· When racing ribs should be port to port with oncoming vessels
· Any rib that is deemed to be driving dangerously will immediately be disqualified and will be
reported to the local marine Harbour Masters
· Please respect the local area and other vessels
· Please restrict your speed to 8 knots when entering Chichester Harbour
· Finally, this is a fun event so please act sensibly so that everyone can enjoy the day
TERMS & CONDITIONS:
· All participants enter the race at their own risk. Piranha Ribs Ltd takes no responsibility for
any damage or loss sustained during the day.
· A boat is entirely responsible for her own safety, whether afloat or ashore, and nothing,
whether in the race entry form or rules and regulations or anywhere else, reduces this
responsibility.
· Participants must inform their insurance company of their inclusion in the race and must
ensure that both they and their rib are suitably insured. Participating vessels must have TPL
cover of at least £2,000,000
· During the race participants will be crossing the shipping channel, please be extra vigilant
and careful at this point and stop or take action if required or requested.
· Any participants not abiding by these rules will be disqualified.

I've got £3m TPL cover, but, direct wording taken from my policy:-

General Exclusions:

• Claims whilst “Dominator” is let out on hire or charter or used for other than private purposes.
• Loss or damage occurring whilst left afloat unattended on moorings for more than 24 hours, unless moored on non-tidal
waters or in a marina.
• Claims whilst “Dominator” is racing.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Scoobysnax

Where is the list of safety equipment requirements, would be useful to see this before entering

go to the rya webpage and look under powerboat racing and you can download the pb handbook with everything you need to know. not the best of websites though

[Scoobysnax]

This is getting confusing...the organiser is 'hinting' that this is a fun 'race'yet some of the posters are suggesting it is a full on race...
So I think more clarity is required

[Carl]

i think a "rally" would of been a better title,but because its a"race" god help the organiser if there is an accident,shame but thats the world we live in now

[Carl]

oh forgot to mention that in my book a race is a race, fun or not

[Nos4r2]

If it's offering prize money for 1st past the post it's definitely a full on race...

Not sure if it's possible to comply with their Ts and Cs anyway, so while I'd be right up for it if I could,I'm afraid that's me out.

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

If it's offering prize money for 1st past the post it's definitely a full on race...

Not sure if it's possible to comply with their Ts and Cs anyway, so while I'd be right up for it if I could,I'm afraid that's me out.

Why not ask them how to comply and which insurance companies insure for racing?

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Why not ask them how to comply and which insurance companies insure for racing?

I'm hoping given what I've said on here that they'll come up with a solution.

It's their event so they should be reading this...

[Piranha Ribs]

Thanks to everybody for their comments. We are reading and taking everything on board.

We will respond shortly with answers, in hope that you will all be able to take part (race).

[Scoobysnax]

Any chance of an update on the points raised?

[biffer]

congratulations lads, i guess this fun day won't be happening

[John Kennett]

When I spoke to the guys from Piranha at RIBEX they said that their insurers were happy about the event, and that it was a goer. Hopefully we'll hear some more details soon.

[Piranha Ribs]

Sorry for delay we have been very tied up with boat shows etc.

We have an insurance company currently looking into insuring individuals who are struggling to gain the required level for the race and we will know by the end of the week.

Thanks for your patience.

[Scoobysnax]

presumably as it is almost a month later and no further info the idea has been canned?

[Cookee]

It's meant to be 21st of August so not long to go!

[Carl]

any news ?