Ribbing - Page 4

splodge · 21 December 2002, 20:50

pete7
they do use it on hull construction partly for the weight I agree, but, a fifty ft s/s race boat with 5 welders running round the deck during a race trying to keep up with the cracks would look bloody silly!
OK we agree to dissagree

narked · 21 December 2002, 20:52

Drugs aren't my thing. Beer is fine (not that I consume alcohol, what with being 17 and all that). Smoking I steer clear of, need my lungs to be in decent shape for my chosen career path, plus it's not too good for freediving performance to smoke.

Won't be going to the LBS. Being in Manchester with no transport of my own is a slight problem. Have to rely on coaches and trains to get me anywhere. Also I'm going to be down in Southampton and Portsmouth over the new year doing some work for wavehumper (saving up to get that SIB!) and so shall be unable to attend.

Matt

Brian · 21 December 2002, 21:07

My goodness me chaps !!
What a welcome to poor old Dirk!
This is now page 7 of this thread, and all in a few hours!!

Look, from my perspective, I asked him a couple of questions to see where he was coming from on this rib v powerboat cruising thing.
The answers he gave were fine and certainly satisfied my curiosity.
I would be happy to have him on my boat at any time.
Pl. you certainly don't need to hide under your desk Dirk.

Andre · 21 December 2002, 21:09

Pete7

I see that I am not the only one who has taken a rib to Poland or been ribbing in Poland. Where did you go on the coast? and when

Andre

crazyhorse · 21 December 2002, 21:20

Well just got in from a bit of shopping and what a supprise,you have all gone Bonkers.Alans post that there is something not right here in my opinion is correct.

Have a great eve.

Crazyhorse

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 21:31

Andre,

We chartered the 300t diving boat Arthur Becker out of Rostock, East Germany in 97. Unfortunately the sib support boat was unserviceable so we towed the rib. Sailed from Rostock into Polish waters and spent a great week diving wrecks that hadn't been dived very much if ever. The diving conditions are similar to the English Channel (too cold for Manos) but without the tides, just a slight current in the Baltic. Great week and fab charter boat.

Pete

Manos · 21 December 2002, 21:33

I didn't say anything about diesel fuel I was talking about petrol. TDirk has a 2 stroke petrol outboard.
YES you NEVER EVER use SS tanks for petrol. I
Is a rule that we always use PLASTIC TANKS on our boats running on petrol(Commercial Boats) for diesel is another matter.
Possibly I didn't expressed right the 1st time

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 21:35

Quote:

something not quite right here

Crazyhorse would you like to amplify? are we being wound up or is there sculldugary with big power boats going on?

Pete

Manos · 21 December 2002, 21:41

I agree with you. Dirk sounds like a nice chap.
I'll have Dirk on my boat any time too.
...and something else

THIS HAS BEEN THE BEST THREAD SO FAR. WELL DONE DIRK!!

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 21:44

Manos I think its a four stoke, but no matter. Stainless Steel for petrol ribs, absolutely, nothing comes close afterall why do all the manufactures fit them ?

Me I have two of them in my Ribtec, they give a superb range (60 gallons) and I do not expect to have a problem with them. My previous Rib an Osprey is regularly used by Rene in Denmark and again providing sterling service. What I will say is that the tanks are seated on GRP and Marine Ply and completely glassed in so they don't move. Whilst the GRP might not adhere to the S/S the thick blanket effect of surounding the tanks in GRP means they will not move or flex. Aluminium corrodes and under deck (the only place to store large quantities of fuel) this would be a nightmare. I accept that David prefers portable tanks as they are easier to fill however this only works if long range is not a factor. I am curious why his tank leaked and how it was fastened down. Certainly over 10 years I haven't had a problem with Stainless Steel on ribs.

What are you fitting in the Falcon ?

crazyhorse · 21 December 2002, 21:45

The guy comes on asking for advice and he has done nuthing but give it. Manos you will have anybody on your boat your just a nice Guy.

Crazyhorse

Manos · 21 December 2002, 21:51

To reply to your question Pete
I think that the manufacturers use SS tanks because they have better margins (steel is VERY CHEAP). I'm in the shipping bizs and I know.
In Falcon they use heavy duty plastic tanks. They can fit in SS tanks but is not recomended.
For SS tanks should go between deck and hull, then the deck is sandwiched and you just get a small opening for inspections purposes. If anything goes wrong with the tank or the lines you will have to cut through the deck.
Now the boat is very light (380 kgs without engine) and is constructed with advanced technology materials. If you cut through the deck you will compromise the seaworhthiness of the boat.
So, Falcon in SAfrica recommends Palstic.........and as the moto says

PLASTIC IS FANTASTIC!!

LOLOL

Manos · 21 December 2002, 21:53

MANY THANKS!!

You made blush now. Don't know what to say (for a change)

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 21:58

I wish you luck, BWM started to use plastic for petrol just before they folded. Result: tanks melted

And yes they had to cut them out. I take it your deck is sandwich construction to save weight, how are you fastening anything down to the deck ? My Ribtec deck is marine ply with grp and will withstand inspections holes being cut into it, but then its not a race boat.

Crazyhorse, we did offer advice as assistance to Dirk, but that was about five pages ago. However the offer still stands.

Pete

Manos · 21 December 2002, 22:06

Whos said that BMWs are good cars any way LOLOL

(I own one by the way) LOLOL
Your assumptions correct.
Deck similar to yours. Small inspection hatches can be cut through but you cannot cut large sections off.
You can tie things up on deck the same way as you do on any other RIB. I suppose you can say that you screw eyes on the deck and pass lines trough them and rap them round and secure the tanks on deck. (my English here is not clear but I'll get a photo when I'm in Greece and post it to see).

Cheers

crazyhorse · 21 December 2002, 22:07

Sorry about that just got in and am trying to get up to speed.

Have a great eve.

Crazyhorse

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 22:21

Manos, sorry been a bit of a miss understanding, there used to be a budget rib firm called Blue Water Maritime (BWM) , they went bust in hmm 98 I think. Paul Lemmer was the MD and he is still about on the rib scene. He has a reputation which I am sure isn't jstified of breaking everything he touches. Its called lemerisation to those in the know or who have suffered. Shame realy as he is a nice chap. Towed him into a beach once when he broke the transom of a rib, two 60 hp mariners were held in the boat by a piece of string around the console

the whole transom moved 3 or 4 inches in and out with every wave.

Pete7 · 21 December 2002, 22:27

How long have they been manufacturing Falcons ? not long if I am right, so how did Dirk find one that needs a refit ?

As Alan and Crazyhorse said something not quite right here, think we have been invaded by the OCR boys. They do seem hostile to ribs. Of course on a rib net forum they are bound to find individuals who think ribs are superb just as on a race boat forum they will be singing the delights of fantoms and rings. Something not quite right.

Pete

crazyhorse · 21 December 2002, 22:28

I bet paul lemmer gets back into ribbing with a cabin rib soon,

Watch this space.

And it might be from good old SA,its just a little guessee, I maybee wrong.

Crazyhorse

Manos · 21 December 2002, 22:35

Falcon is been making boats for the last 20 years.
Look at their site if you like.
I suppose the RIB Dirk has is the one (700 RSR) that Volvo bought for a support RIB during the translantantic race a few years ago