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20 June 2021, 20:54
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Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
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Ribeye leaning to Port when under power
Hi, just enjoying our recent purchase of a 2012 Ribeye 785s and have noticed that she is leaning over to port when under power regardless of tide/waves/wind conditions….so much so that the rear tube is bouncing in the water when we ride through slightly bigger waves. I have tried trimming right up and down and in between, but nothing seems to sort it. We have looked under the boat and cannot see any damage.
Is this to do with the propeller pitch or something else? I am a newbie so not experienced i am afraid. Thank you for any help.
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20 June 2021, 20:56
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - England
Town: Hants
Length: 8m +
Engine: 300hp plus
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Down to engine trim. Trim up at speed
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20 June 2021, 21:33
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Thank you
Thank you C2 Ribs. I will definitely make sure the engine is trimmed up when we are out this week.
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20 June 2021, 21:51
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicestershire
Boat name: Bathtub
Make: Humber Ocean Pro
Length: 6m +
Engine: Honda 150
Join Date: Jul 2013
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I’ve had exactly the same problem as depdawg on a Humber ocean pro 6.3 150 and I’m very grateful that there appears to be an answe
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Can you explain why this down to trim please?
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21 June 2021, 07:00
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Southsea
Boat name: Voodoo
Make: Ribtec
Length: 7m +
Engine: Mercruiser 350 Mag
Join Date: Jan 2021
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Torque reaction of the hull from the prop when its trimmed in too far for the speed I believe.
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21 June 2021, 14:33
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Country: UK - England
Town: Falmouth
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yam 150F
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If your RIB is sitting flat at rest and it's not a weight issue causing the port trim, I'd look at the skeg anode, usually there is a fin that you can trim to counteract the rotational force from the prop. As your prop rotates clockwise (going forwards) as well as providing forward thrust it also induces a rotational force. Excuse my very quickly drawn sketch but you'll see the point I'm trying to make. If you slacken the bolt off that attaches the skeg anode try rotating it a few degrees to starboard from the centreline, this should make a difference, if this improves it then trim it to stbd until you're happy with the balance. When everything is i balance the RIB should also track pretty straight once on the plane.
The up/down trim shouldn't impact port/stbd trim but I could be wrong.
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21 June 2021, 20:33
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Waterlooville
Boat name: Tickler
Make: Halmatic P22
Length: 6m +
Engine: Inboard Diesel 240HP
MMSI: 235115642
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Boating Performance
Quite a good article including the impact of trim on torque induced steering.
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21 June 2021, 22:37
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Country: UK - England
Town: southampton
Boat name: TOP CAT 2
Make: Scorpion 8.1
Length: 8m +
Engine: 250hp HO
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Is your engine mounted dead centre? Is your boat weight biased port or starboard, I would always mount most of weight starboard to counteract prop torque. Battery, helm, oil etc.
As others have said over trim in can cause the port lean or an engine too low on the transom
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22 June 2021, 09:18
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Isle of Lewis
Boat name: Sarah Saunders
Make: XS Ribs
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Dec 2019
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Could there also be some water in the hull and torque reaction then shifts it to the port side where it stays there until you come to rest?
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22 June 2021, 09:40
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Nottinghamshire
Make: Ranieri 15
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki DF50
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Take a look at this:
www.rib.net/forum/f45/willard 7m seaforce repower
Changing the prop reduced the dangerous torque roll. The effect must be influenced by the shape of the propeller thrust.
See also:
Propeller Basics Pt3
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22 June 2021, 10:42
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Thanks Voodo.
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22 June 2021, 10:45
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipster100
If your RIB is sitting flat at rest and it's not a weight issue causing the port trim, I'd look at the skeg anode, usually there is a fin that you can trim to counteract the rotational force from the prop. As your prop rotates clockwise (going forwards) as well as providing forward thrust it also induces a rotational force. Excuse my very quickly drawn sketch but you'll see the point I'm trying to make. If you slacken the bolt off that attaches the skeg anode try rotating it a few degrees to starboard from the centreline, this should make a difference, if this improves it then trim it to stbd until you're happy with the balance. When everything is i balance the RIB should also track pretty straight once on the plane.
The up/down trim shouldn't impact port/stbd trim but I could be wrong.
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Thanks Pipster. Your diagram and explanation are really helpful. Will try adjusting when I am down at the weekend.
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22 June 2021, 10:46
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Frinton-on-Sea
Boat name: RibRoulete
Make: Highfield
Length: 6m +
Engine: Honda 150 FBW
MMSI: 232043399
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22 June 2021, 10:47
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Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
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Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gtflash
Is your engine mounted dead centre? Is your boat weight biased port or starboard, I would always mount most of weight starboard to counteract prop torque. Battery, helm, oil etc.
As others have said over trim in can cause the port lean or an engine too low on the transom
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Thanks GTflash. I believe it is mounted dead centre along with batteries, helm etc.Useful to know about placing more weight on starboard too.
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22 June 2021, 11:52
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
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Originally Posted by mhill
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Hi mhill. Thanks for the link...lmao here. The lean is to the left as in the picture on FB!! Not sure we have experienced it that bad yet...shows the importance of always wearing a kill chord!
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22 June 2021, 11:53
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalspark
Could there also be some water in the hull and torque reaction then shifts it to the port side where it stays there until you come to rest?
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Thanks vitalspark. Have not noticed water in the hull yet and will look out for this. Cheers.
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22 June 2021, 11:56
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Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
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Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Limecc
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Thanks Limecc. I have a spare prop so my try that out to see if there is a difference. The link is really useful-much appreciated.
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22 June 2021, 11:59
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyC
Boating Performance
Quite a good article including the impact of trim on torque induced steering.
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Thanks for sending this useful link GuyC. Lots to learn....
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22 June 2021, 13:46
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Country: UK - England
Town: Nottinghamshire
Make: Ranieri 15
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki DF50
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Depdawg
Thanks Limecc. I have a spare prop so my try that out to see if there is a difference. The link is really useful-much appreciated.
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You want one with a high rake and one that's not sold as giving stern lift, this should produce a narrower cone.
Also GTflash mentioned it already, make sure the engine is set optimally as high as possible while giving no prop ventilation.
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22 June 2021, 17:11
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Member
Country: UK - England
Make: Ribeye
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard Yamaha 250
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 21
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Thanks everybody
Have spoken to Ribeye today and they have that the solution is to trim it to half way (on the electronic pitch gauge) and this should solve it. Will update once I have done this.
Thank you for everybody’s helpful comments and advice. Much appreciated.
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