RNLI - getting greedy?

[willk]

Originally Posted by wiLlfish

noww luk wot yewve startid...

YORR A BADD BADD MANN

My Work Here is Done

[willk]

Originally Posted by wiLlfish

an summ nobbur admittin too doin a orrigarmi demmo for de WI (WTF)

He thought it might be an opportunity to Poker, but instead he folded...

[wiLlfish]

Originally Posted by willk

He thought it might be an opportunity to Poker

nevver thort ov dat

ifn yorr intoo pirtle hared rinkly owld bints dat wud bee a targit ricch invironmint but i rekkon hee woz showin dem ow to maik payper airoplains

golff jewliet oskar keelo yannkee zoolo inn an owt

[Poly]

Originally Posted by wiLlfish

ifn yorr intoo pirtle hared rinkly owld bints dat wud bee a targit ricch invironmint

He's got to fund the next Redbay somehow. It all makes sense now, he trying to get the "old birds" upset about the RNLI being too assertive in their fundraising, then make his move on them and cream off the Legacy income for the new Willkship instead.

[Anchorhandler]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Look at this this way,if someone offered you an investment at a 500% return i.e spend 20p & get a pound back would you take it? That sounds like sound financial management to me.



My experience of SNSM, particularly on the Normandy coast is that the boats are invariably moored afloat in "locked" harbours, so they are out of action +/- 3hrs LW, the RNLI would have built a bespoke boat house & slip outside of the harbour to ensure that they are available 24/7. The SNSM boats are generally much smaller & dare I say "Light" duty.

Hi Pikey Dave..

Only the Inshore boats are moored in tidal dependant areas, there will invariably be a 'CTT' (RNLI ALB equivalent) moored offshore covering the same sector. These are easy to spot, they have a green hull instead of the inshore's blue hull.

If you look at the link below and zoom in on Normandie you will see the extent of the SNSM network covering that area including the 6 CTT boats covering the area from ST Malo to Ouistrham

Heres quite a good link showing a nifty 360deg view of a French CTT wheelhouse.

http://www.360ouest.com/photo_fs.php?id=1349

And one of the engine room (including a typically grumpy looking french mechanic)

http://www.360ouest.com/photo_fs.php?id=1346

'Light duty' certainly not. Unsinkable and self righting but admitedly not as well built as a RNLI ALB. (i have been in a CTT as we have a familly member who is based at the Isle de Sein CTT station in Finistere)
The price of a CTT is only €850000 though and for all intents and purposes does the same job.

Incidentally, you over here this year?....if you are, i highly recommend Brest 2012 festival of the sea (13-19 July). We will be taking Gwenn there for a few days. Fantastic cruising ground.

http://www.lestonnerresdebrest2012.fr/fr/

Finally, well said Ribrunt


Simon

[ribrunt]

Originally Posted by Anchorhandler

These are easy to spot, they have a green hull instead of the inshore's blue hull. The price of a CTT is only €850000 though and for all intents and purposes does the same job.

Simon

Albeit much slower and backwards !!! Slipway launch and recovery

Originally Posted by Anchorhandler

Finally, well said Ribrunt
Simon

Merci, Monsieur gestionnaire l'ancre

[Anchorhandler]

Originally Posted by ribrunt

Albeit much slower and backwards !!! Slipway launch and recovery




Merci, Monsieur gestionnaire l'ancre

"yes err, vessell dat is err.. caulling ze me'day....ve finnish ourr cafè, go forr ze peess an ve be wiff you verry soonish"

C'ettai entierment mon plaisire Monsieu l'avorton du semi-rigide

Simon

[chewy]

Originally Posted by ribrunt

I hear Chewy's comments, but I'm certainly damn glad that my ILB has a righting bag and frame, water ballast, inversion proofed engines, waterproof VHF, sea anchor and all the other things to keep me safe and bring ME back to my wife & kids. Price me an equivalent spec'd commercial 7.5/8.5m boat and I think you'll find there is not that much difference in the cost.

Originally Posted by chewy

That would be me then, I never said the boats wern't fit for purpose or not capable, just overspecced.
The inshore boats probably aren't too bad but do you really needs SIMS on an ALB to tell you the seacocks are open and joystick control complete with touch screen?

Like I said earlier the ILB's aren't too bad, its the ALBs that seem overspecced.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by chewy

Like I said earlier the ILB's aren't too bad, its the ALBs that seem overspecced.

Steady Chewy, it looks like you're starting to back pedal

[chewy]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Steady Chewy, it looks like you're starting to back pedal

Not all pet lamb, still can't see why you need touch screens and joystick controls on an ALB. Even the mechanic on a Tamar said he lets SIM boot up (which takes two minutes) and then goes round and checks the seacocks himself.
Having switched to tell you a seacock is open is a bit OTT for me, plus its one more thing to maintain.

[m chappelow]

Originally Posted by chewy

Not all pet lamb, still can't see why you need touch screens and joystick controls on an ALB. Even the mechanic on a Tamar said he lets SIM boot up (which takes two minutes) and then goes round and checks the seacocks himself.
Having switched to tell you a seacock is open is a bit OTT for me, plus its one more thing to maintain.

Main Idea is to keep the crew members sat in their seats for the maximum time they can once under way en route to and from a shout ,
with the sim system (as you will know or for those who dont ), any crewmember can swap or moniter different jobs ,even the engine and machinery space has cctv so it can be kept an eye on,
main thought about the system is in rough seas when the boat can maintain as much max speed dropping off waves and the like without crew members having to swap seats or positions hopefully much reducing injurys ,falls ,crew bumping into eachother ect .

[havener]

Originally Posted by biffer

Yep have done a couple of bits for gaffirs and the closer one is hamble rescue. Haven't been to see them yet but I will get round to it. Not sure if they are top heavy already. If you know what I mean

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I think you'll find you're welcomed with open arms at Hamble, like most indies, it's a very different setup to the RNLI.

No huge admin office, and pretty much every £1 donated gets spent on the boat, or crew kit.

They're currently trying to raise £500k for a new boathouse, planning permission for which took 10 years.

Sadly, no architects dept / planning consultants / key contractors turning up for these guys...

[havener]

Originally Posted by Anchorhandler

The reason for my curiosity is that, after reading the last information i recieved from the French SNSM i noticed it mentioned there are now 232 operational stations in France.
A quick Wiki search revealed that the RNLI has only 235 operational stations, a mere 3 more than their French conterpart.

Not defending the RNLI, but I think you'll find the SNSM include in their figures the seasonal lifeguard stations, whereas the RNLI treat theirs (around 300 I think) seperately.

Certainly though, the difference between an average SNSM station - functional, spartan even - and a new RNLI station - cutting edge architecture, viewing galleries, public access, etc, is immense.

[chewy]

Originally Posted by m chappelow

Main Idea is to keep the crew members sat in their seats for the maximum time they can once under way en route to and from a shout ,
with the sim system (as you will know or for those who dont ), any crewmember can swap or moniter different jobs ,even the engine and machinery space has cctv so it can be kept an eye on,
main thought about the system is in rough seas when the boat can maintain as much max speed dropping off waves and the like without crew members having to swap seats or positions hopefully much reducing injurys ,falls ,crew bumping into eachother ect .

Still not convinced mate.

[biffer]

Originally Posted by havener

I think you'll find you're welcomed with open arms at Hamble, like most indies, it's a very different setup to the RNLI.

No huge admin office, and pretty much every £1 donated gets spent on the boat, or crew kit.

They're currently trying to raise £500k for a new boathouse, planning permission for which took 10 years.

Sadly, no architects dept / planning consultants / key contractors turning up for these guys...

500k for a boatshed. A bit steep me thinks. Built a 50 ft shed myself so I'm not guessing when I say that

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[wiLlfish]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Steady Chewy, it looks like you're starting to back pedal

hee ad a vissit

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[Nick Hearne]

ost is one thing, but I was phoned at home asking to up my direct debit with them!
I was not very pleased & told them the increase they where asking for was way over inflation & settled at a smaller increase!

[simonnud]

The chief executive of the RNLI is answering questions on twitter from 1800 till 1900 tonight so why don't the people who want questions answer ask the main man himself. Good luck

[Bern Hanreck]

By way of a bit of balance.......

I pay by direct debit and have received no hassle at all !

During a short conversation with a member of RNLI staff at the LBS today I was asked politely if I'd like to upgrade my membership ? A simple no thanks was all it took .

[Boats&Outboards]

My tuppence worth

If you donate by direct debit and have done so or say 5 years, perhaps a friendly call from an RNLI rep with well chosen words asking for a little extra is understandable considering inflation etc.

Peter ~ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007