Scorpion vs Revenger

topspeed · 31 January 2013, 15:02

Does anyone have any experience of using similar products from the above rib builders ?

I would appreciate knowing which is softer ride, and drier ride.

Any info gratefully received.

Chris Caton · 31 January 2013, 15:19

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Originally Posted by topspeed

Does anyone have any experience of using similar products from the above rib builders ?

I would appreciate knowing which is softer ride, and drier ride.

Any info gratefully received.

not much experience of Scorpion, other than a run out in one fitted with a Yam 350hp at Ribex a few years ago, very nice rib but the fuel consumption

have had our Revenger 715 for 6 years now, excellent rib, very soft riding and very dry too. the only way to find out is to have a go in one, the 715 / 23 ft is the smallest rib Revenger build, I think Scorpion do a smaller one. either way, you won't go far wrong, both are excellent ribs

topspeed · 31 January 2013, 15:20

Thanks Chris.

Chris Caton · 31 January 2013, 15:23

Give Phil Morris at Revenger a call, he's one of the most helpful people I've ever spoken to re: ribs, a fountain of genuine knowledge, or drop him an email with your questions

Zippy · 31 January 2013, 15:44

Both top end ribs.

Would say that the Revenger would be a faster boat all things being equal. Revengers have very tapered tubes which gives the impression of little bouyancy in the bow but in reality i dont believe thats a problem.

We looked hard at the 32 outboard before we bought the Hunton, great great boat!

Scorpions are very well made and great performing and looking boats.

Of the two, i would go Scorpion but it would be a very nice decision to make! we loved our scorpion and came very close late last year to getting another one!

edit, ref Phil Morris, fantastic bloke and very helpful. for Scorpions, talk to Stewart Thornley, equally as helpful and all round nice guy.

topspeed · 31 January 2013, 15:52

I have spoken to both Phil and Stewart, and agree that both are very nice, and know their stuff, which is often not the case in the marine industry, in my experience.

HUMBER P4VWL · 31 January 2013, 16:06

Both nice boats with good reputations. Chris's revenger certainly rides well, I've had the pleasure of watching it for many an hour going through various seas.

It has a very "pointy" shape in comparison to other ribs I see, so probably less room up front than equivalent length boats. With tapered tubes and also more of a tapered angle from the bow to the final deep V at the back, I think it is quite a quick hull, probably more economical and rides through choppy sea very well compared to others. Conversely I would assume the bow is more likely to stuff in a big swell, but it would have to be a BIG swell. It's a lovely boat.

Chris Caton · 31 January 2013, 16:15

i guess a lot depends on size of rib you are looking at, we like the 715 as its comfortable, goes very well with a 150hp, and in comparison to similar size ribs is cheap to run, and still looks like new

Dirk Diggler · 31 January 2013, 16:21

Don't wait to long, rumour has it Revenger might be giving up soon.

Chris Caton · 31 January 2013, 16:53

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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

Both nice boats with good reputations. Chris's revenger certainly rides well, I've had the pleasure of watching it for many an hour going through various seas.

It has a very "pointy" shape in comparison to other ribs I see, so probably less room up front than equivalent length boats. With tapered tubes and also more of a tapered angle from the bow to the final deep V at the back, I think it is quite a quick hull, probably more economical and rides through choppy sea very well compared to others. Conversely I would assume the bow is more likely to stuff in a big swell, but it would have to be a BIG swell. It's a lovely boat.

if the swell was that BIG I'd be in the Gazelle with you Paul

Adam M-S · 01 February 2013, 20:26

bought a new 8.1m mark II in 2006. very special boat . entered GBRR and wanted twin engines so sold. Spec'd from new another leading brand rib - not revenger - but by comparison was v. dissappointed. Managed to buy back original Scorpion - great.

Soft ride / safe / quick enough and very dry. Cannot speak highly enough of them !

After sales service top notch.

Notice Stewart has some nice used ones on the market.

Never been on a revenger so cannot comment on comparison but suspect you'll be happy with either.

Brambles · 05 February 2013, 21:27

I have done countless hours in Scorpions from 6.5m to 10m (including the one referred to earlier with the 350 Yamaha) by contrast only a few in a Revenger 29 - one inboard Yanmar & one with twin 250 clip ons.

I thought the Revenger was a faster hull but not as soft riding in traditional British sea conditions. Also I didn't find the seats comfortable, which is important on a decent trip.

Take one of each out (preferably in "interesting" conditions

) & make your own mind up.

Turbodiesel · 05 February 2013, 21:43

We have a customer who has just bought a 10m Scorpion, its a very very nice boat, not been out on it but have worked on it and fit out is perfect everything in the right place and just so well out together. Cant comment on the Revenger though!

ribraff · 05 February 2013, 22:03

Up until recently the Hulls were made by Shakespeare in the Midlands and I can vouch for the build quality. I believe the deck on the outboard versions is built so that it sits above the waterline, the advantage being self draining at rest, the disadvantage being a higher centre of gravity.

topspeed · 06 February 2013, 14:32

Thank you very much for all the advice.
May be an easier choice than first thought.

Let's wait and see !

Chris Caton · 06 February 2013, 14:40

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Originally Posted by topspeed

Thank you very much for all the advice.
May be an easier choice than first thought.

Let's wait and see !

don't be making it an easy choice, have you looked at new & 2nd hand Revengers on their website, some very ribs there to be had

Barfly · 18 March 2013, 20:32

what have you chosen yet?

topspeed · 21 March 2013, 09:49

Yes !
We have agreed to buy a secondhand Scorpion, deposit paid.
Have sea trialled her, and absolutley awesome.

Can't wait to take delivery in a couple of weeks, once she is ready.

Chris Caton · 21 March 2013, 17:22

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Originally Posted by topspeed

Yes !
We have agreed to buy a secondhand Scorpion, deposit paid.
Have sea trialled her, and absolutley awesome.

Can't wait to take delivery in a couple of weeks, once she is ready.

don't forget the photos when you picked it up

gtflash · 23 March 2013, 09:06

I had the same decision to make several years ago. I chose the Scorpion 7.5 over revenger 25, since sold that and bout an 8.1 Scorpion with a difference. Both are very good boats, and I have done several hours in Revenger hulls (hard and soft). The Revenger is quicker generally, and turning is like they are on rails. If you want ulitmate speed, the revenger is a very good choice. Scorpions have a very cute little chine and slightly rounded bum, at speeds above 70mph my new one is a real handful, and speeking to a guy who owns 3 Scorpions recently, they commented that even their 10m twin surface drive got quite scary over 70knots, so they propped it down.

I have seen some pictures of a revenger that used to go out to play with biboa club and struggled when it got rough, where the Scorpions soldiered on, but I have never been out in a revenger in severe weather. I raced in lymington challenge a few years ago, and a 27 Revenger was infront of me although he had an extra 15mph top speed, but more impressive was a little 715 who only finished a few mph behind me. In 5m swell at times.

Scorpion is a very good ride, and recently my racer(and ex revenger 25 owner) commented my boat had the softest ride he had ever experienced. Hes also been around britain in a Pascoe (and a zapcat

) I think they are very soft as long as you keep them flying level, they have LARGE outer chines aft and land hard on the back end. But then dont all boats. I personally think Scorpion has lost a little bit of its specialness since Graham sold up. It was partly him I bought into as his after sales was considerably better. Now the new kids have gone quite form and design over function, and the small things you want to buy, now cost a fortune, where as Graham would have sold it at cost, because you were "in the club" IMHO.

IF I was buying now, in the 6.5m range id choose a revenger, 7.5-8.5 it would be a scorpion, but If I wanted a 29 revenger it would have to be step hull, as better flat running in head seas. 10m would have to be a sting. Both boats are very good, and Phil at revenger entertained me for years, taking me out on demos while I very slowly made my decision. Neither will dissapoint.