Security

Russ Prevett · 16 February 2005, 15:40

Forgive my looking a bit of a numpty - but I've just bought a RIB (5.8m) as my first boat - and have been advised to keep it secure - now what is defined as secure - I'm thinking wheelclamp, hitchlock, & engine locks - is that good enough (for example when it's in the marina - or in storage, with locked gates & CCTV) or should I electrify it & tie a rottwieler to it as well ?!!

I know that if someone really wants it they'll have it - but just looking for some advice really - security without being paranoid, what do you guys do ?

Cheers,

Russ

Bern Hanreck · 16 February 2005, 15:47

You are thinking along the right lines , but the one thing you must do is satisfy your insurers . ( You have insured it I take it ? ) .After that you can go high-Tech with various GPS / Radio technologies .

danny · 16 February 2005, 16:32

When you have the space somewhere up in your console, I would reccomend you to buy a gps/cellphone transmitter.
Essential for this is that you have a space where a thief would or could not inspect easely.
I've got one that gives a signal when the battery from the engine is disconnected and when the boat is taken from her place for about 5 mtrs.
You will get a message on your cellphone or you can connect your system to a securitycompany.

Good luck.

Dan.

ashbypower · 16 February 2005, 16:38

Yep! I agree your thinking along the right lines. However I think electrification and Rottweiler is OTT

You may also consider chipping it as per Motorcycles I know it won't stop the theft but may aide recovery should the wordt happen.

By the way Welcome to the forum.

Brian

danny · 16 February 2005, 16:47

The best thing about the gps system is that with a litlle luck and help you can find your boat back and use it the next day.
I've got three dogs on board and that's six ears, that realy helps a lot!!

Dan.

tcwozere · 16 February 2005, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny

When you have the space somewhere up in your console, I would reccomend you to buy a gps/cellphone transmitter.
Essential for this is that you have a space where a thief would or could not inspect easely.
I've got one that gives a signal when the battery from the engine is disconnected and when the boat is taken from her place for about 5 mtrs.
You will get a message on your cellphone or you can connect your system to a securitycompany.

Good luck.

Dan.

Any chance of a link to the product please Dan??

ty..

CJL · 16 February 2005, 19:17

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Originally Posted by tcwozere

Any chance of a link to the product please Dan??

ty..

try this Tracker

Bilge Rat · 16 February 2005, 20:59

Arm it with high explosives, rearly in life is there a situation that cant be resolved with enough high explosive

And i dont expect they'll be coming back for the GPS either

danny · 17 February 2005, 05:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcwozere

Any chance of a link to the product please Dan??

ty..

Yes, I can give you lots of links but they are all supliers in Holland so I don't know if that'll help you.
I've got mine trough de Yamaha dealership.

Dan.

tcwozere · 17 February 2005, 12:15

Links in Holland would help to know what the product is called..

I had a look at the tracker, thanks CJL, can't work out if thats like the thing Danny uses..

But the tracker seemed rather expensive..

danny · 17 February 2005, 12:52

http://www.rys.nl/CarNL4.htm
http://www.gpswinkel.nl/CarNL6.htm
http://www.interactivebusiness.nl/hardware/products.htm
http://www.kew.nl/k_alarm.htm
http://www.brocar.nl/viasat.htm

Maybe that'll help.

Dan.

tcwozere · 17 February 2005, 18:56

Thanks Danny..

Gives me something to think about now..

Searider · 18 February 2005, 09:56

Russ,

Firstly have a look at the small print in your insurance policy. What do they require of you - wheel clamps, hitch locks, locked compound etc.
Comply with this then at least if the boat is pinched they should not have an excuse not to pay. If there is anything you can't comply with - locked compound perhaps then speak with your insurer about getting it removed from the policy.

I like the idea of a tracker but am a bit too tight to splash out.

The best way of avoiding getting the boat stolen is to keep it somewhere where it can't be seen by any passers by.

Several RIBs were stolen from near me last summer. All were from Marinas or car parks easily seen from the road.

Regards

Russ Prevett · 21 February 2005, 13:19

I'm really impressed with this forum - thanks for the info on all your replies.

Yes - my insurance stipulates Engine Locks, Wheelclamp & Hitchlock, and I know that the storage marina has CCTV & 24 Hr security gates + patrols.

I just wanted to know the general feeling over it, I mean - it seems that these RIB's are considered "desirable".

Doubt if I'll go for the tracker - but it is a brilliant Idea.

Although I would be interested in the type of Engine locks everyone uses - what's seen as tough to break ?

Again Thanks.

Cheers, Russ

Jon Brooks · 21 February 2005, 13:33

Have seen some one use a cheap pay as you go mobile.

Hide it on the boat where it can still get a signal.
Power it from the boats battery.

If and when the little scrots have it away with your pride and joy, the boys in blue can then track the mobile phone and triangulate the signal.
The don't even have to ring it.

All for about £50!

Regards

Jono · 21 February 2005, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Jon

...The don't even have to ring it.

All for about £50!

Regards

and you can always ring the 'phone and ask them, politely of course, to bring your boat back...

Scary Des · 21 February 2005, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Jon Brooks

.......If and when the little scrots have it away with your pride and joy, the boys in blue can then track the mobile phone and triangulate the signal.....

John I have been testing one of these systems for a few months and so far I am not convinced

Although it is cheap its accuracy is awful

using one of the on-line services for GSM tracking I often get a location 2 or 3 mile from where the tracker is. This inaccuracy decreases in built-up areas and towns but in the country it is not good. This is due to the cell system used by mobile phone companies and the fact that the cells in the country cover a wider area and that there is a system of reducing the availability of service to inactive phones.
Having said that, with a boat on a river or marina it might be just good enough

Des

danny · 21 February 2005, 14:44

My system is build in by Tracer. It's done by the Yamaha dealer.
Gives a sms signal to a security company wich have a serious relation with the police. First they call me and then if neccesery the police.
It gives a signal when: you move the boat without having the key in, when the battery is disconnected from the enginekabels or when you open the hatch wich goes to the system (lightsensor).
It gives a signal in 15 to 20 seconds. It has an antenna to the front (inside) and to to the back (inside).
It cost me 890 euro incl vat and a monthly 9.95 euro.

Ive got an adittional 20 % discount on the insurancepolicy wich is 279 euro a year.
So in 4 years or so i will have the system payed back in discount.

Maybe that's worth it.

The biggest problem overhere is the theft of engines. Most of the time they leave the boats because there aren't that many slipways but a lot of low bridges and locks.
Also have one build in the ship wich gives a signal in case of fire and opening one of the doors.

Dan.

Scary Des · 21 February 2005, 15:06

Dan does your system have a gps connection

the system I have been testing is GSM only

Des

Jon Brooks · 21 February 2005, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Scary Des

Dan does your system have a gps connection

the system I have been testing is GSM only

Des

Des

Which one have you been testing?

Jon