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Old 07 December 2013, 14:18   #1
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Selecting an Anchor

I am trying to figure out what type and weight of anchor to purchase for my Zodiac 420 Yachtline.

Folding grapnel and mushroom styles look appropriate and do not have sharp edges that could damage tubes. What weight should I consider? Looking for mostly lunch anchor use, not storm use.

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Any idea what you are anchoring into? Sand, Weed, Rock, Mud, All 4?

Does lunch anchor mean: park up and go ashore for Lunch? Or park up and eat lunch afloat?

Tidal or In-land water?
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I purchased a 2kg bruce with 8m chain and 20m of warp for my Searider 4.
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Thanks.

I would suppose an anchor for most types of bottom types would be best. Mostly sand and mud though. For inland use primarily.

Looking for mostly anchoring so we can cut the motor and just hang out and watch nature and eat lunch on board.
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I have seen a yamaha anchor kit that looks suitable.

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6.5lbs

Maybe a good choice? Not cheap but not worthless and lightweight like some of the PWC anchor kits.
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The amount of chain will be more important than the type and weight of anchor.
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The Yam is a danforth style anchor. "Reasonable" holding on most substrates.

The grappy is crappy on mud or soft sand as the tines (spikey bits) don't get enough friction.

Mushrooms are in theory OK for mud & sand (never used one, not sure I've even seen one in the flesh). But in theory pants on rock /kelp where they can't dig in.

Bruce has the advantage of not having those spikey side bits the danforth has and no folding bits to seize. But lack of folding makes it difficult (or at least harder) to stow.

6.5lb is not hugely heavy. But may be OK for hook and stay aboard, just be conscious where you are dropping the hook and where you'll drift to if you unhook by accident... If you have GPS use the anchor alarm on a tight circle.

Not seen vinyl coated ones available elsewhere. Would be curious how well the coating survive a few rocky anchorages...

Rope looks a bit skinny - do others agree?

That snap clip is to attach the 'bitter' end to the boat so that when you throw the anchor out you don't loose the whole lot. DO NOT use it to join rope to chain. ensure once the anchor is deployed the inboard end is cleated securely as I wouldn't trust the snap clip under force.

Chain length is short. May not be a major issue if you are using anchor in sheltered locations etc with a sandy bottom where the rope wont get worn by the rocks and a few attempts at setting are available if it doesn't lie right on first try. BUT REMEMBER your anchor is your handbrake and you might need it in rough and dangerous conditions...

I suspect the best anchor for your use might be the plastic cooper anchor... Home — Cooper Anchors UK — The World's Best Anchor I gather they have a bigger size coming 'soon' which might be even better...
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It won't take much to hold that boat in place. A few feet of anchor chain will be in order. Since you don't plan on leaving the boat, even if the anchor doesn't hold you can always start the motor and pull anchor. Plus you won't want to be anchored in poor conditions. A three fluted mushroom anchor would work fine as would most anything else.

A wind up anchor rope minder might be nice to have. Although I am all about some type of box, crate, or bucket to hold everything, and just flake the anchor rope into place.
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The amount of chain will be more important than the type and weight of anchor.
Whilst the size and length of the chain used in the rode are important - the weight of an anchor is still fundamentally crucial to the ability of the anchor system to hold a boat in adverse conditions
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Wow, thank you everyone for such helpful information.

Lots to consider! Sounds like ones choice of an anchor depends largely on what types of waters they navigate.
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Whilst the size and length of the chain used in the rode are important - the weight of an anchor is still fundamentally crucial to the ability of the anchor system to hold a boat in adverse conditions
I agree +1
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In order of importance I would suggest...

Anchor shape (ie type)
Length (and hence weight) of chain
Weight of anchor
Diameter/type of rode

But it's a bit academic because they all need to be right.

Could I suggest you imagine the engine cuts out, the wind blows you towards a rocky lee shore......

Now how good an anchor do you need?

I personally favour the Bruce type, comes out well in all the tests I have seen.

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Lots to consider! Sounds like ones choice of an anchor depends largely on what types of waters they navigate.
Exactly Alex - there is no "perfect" anchor.

Maybe check out this link for some basic info on anchors

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In order of importance I would suggest...

Anchor shape (ie type)
Length (and hence weight) of chain
Weight of anchor
Diameter/type of rode

But it's a bit academic because they all need to be right.

Could I suggest you imagine the engine cuts out, the wind blows you towards a rocky lee shore......

Now how good an anchor do you need?

I personally favour the Bruce type, comes out well in all the tests I have seen.

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I would add overall length of chain / warp deployed to that list.

I use 4x maximum depth on chain or 6 times maximum depth on chain / warp as a rule of thumb.

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I agree +1
I was told some years ago, 1kg per metre for weight of anchor, + 1 metre of 6mm chain per metre of boat, and you will not go far wrong irrespective of anchor type.

So for you 2.5 kg anchor and 5m of chain on the end of you rope should be sufficient
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Thank you all.

With this information I am now leaning towards a Bruce anchor (probably 11lbs or so) with about 15 ft of chain and over 50ft of rope.

I would have totally purchased the wrong thing without the help of this group. And previously I had no anchor at all, which could have been disastrous on a bad day.

Any suggestions for stowage - like an anchor bag and/or a spool for the rope?
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I require my boat to be waiting for me when I return from diving. You are talking way more anchor than I have (8lb), although I do carry 15ft of heavy chain, but I carry 320 feet of 3/8" rope. I struggled hard to decide on a Bruce vs a Danforth, but in the end the Danforth won, and I am glad as it rides perfectly in my milk crate.

Think more anchor rope. A little less chain would even be okay too.

Look at these charts for an idea of anchor size needed.
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Thank you all.

With this information I am now leaning towards a Bruce anchor (probably 11lbs or so) with about 15 ft of chain and over 50ft of rope.

I would have totally purchased the wrong thing without the help of this group. And previously I had no anchor at all, which could have been disastrous on a bad day.

Any suggestions for stowage - like an anchor bag and/or a spool for the rope?
With that setup you should be ok anchoring in depths of up to 11 foot of water. If the water will be deeper than you will need more warp.

I store my anchor in a plastic crate.

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