So ribs almost never capsize?

Poly · 20 January 2010, 17:46

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga07-...029&m=1&y=2010

Jizm · 20 January 2010, 17:49

hmmm, almost.............

Channel Ribs · 20 January 2010, 18:05

It is not unheard of round here, so much so I want daygo antifoul.

JSP · 20 January 2010, 18:11

The Swellies is not a ncie place to be apart from your boat.

chewy · 20 January 2010, 19:22

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Originally Posted by malthouse

It is not unheard of round here, so much so I want daygo antifoul.

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HUMBER P4VWL · 20 January 2010, 20:00

not where you want to turn turtle! Glad all ok, they must have been playing about in the overfalls.

Poly · 20 January 2010, 20:14

Its interesting that if that had been 2 boats on here the MCGA press release would almost certainly have specifically criticised them for not putting out a VHF distress call... ...was there no criticism because it was another emergency service?

Erin · 20 January 2010, 20:35

I would have thought that since the guiding principle is for only putting out a distress call when in 'grave and imminent' danger (mayday) or requiring assistance (panpan) such action wouldn't have been required, seeing as the 2nd rib was there on the scene to rescue them all. Why would they also need the RNLI?

chewy · 20 January 2010, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Erin

I would have thought that since the guiding principle is for only putting out a distress call when in 'grave and imminent' danger (mayday) or requiring assistance (panpan) such action wouldn't have been required, seeing as the 2nd rib was there on the scene to rescue them all. Why would they also need the RNLI?

First RIB capsized so they would be a good chance the second may. Better safe than sorry.

Poly · 20 January 2010, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Erin

I would have thought that since the guiding principle is for only putting out a distress call when in 'grave and imminent' danger (mayday) or requiring assistance (panpan) such action wouldn't have been required, seeing as the 2nd rib was there on the scene to rescue them all. Why would they also need the RNLI?

Erin - I was playing devils advocate - yes I assume the Fire Brigage believed they had the situation was under control. However had that been two boats from the sailing club, or a training school there would have been some comment made about "an early call to the coastguard enables us to prepare and deploy resources".

Channel Ribs · 21 January 2010, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Erin

... seeing as the 2nd rib was there on the scene to rescue them all. Why would they also need the RNLI?

People in the water when they were not planning to is generally a good reason for calling in, better safe than sorry when it comes to secondary drowning etc.

Channel Ribs · 21 January 2010, 08:47

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Originally Posted by chewy

http://www.nauteco.co.uk/component/v...2.5-litre.html

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A local company are looking into a similar product.

spartacus · 21 January 2010, 11:53

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Originally Posted by chewy

First RIB capsized so they would be a good chance the second may. Better safe than sorry.

My thoughts exactly. The coastguard won't criticise you for putting in the call, even if there was another boat at the scene to assist. Sod's law dictates that things can inevitably go wrong - for example the boat's propeller could have become fouled from the overturned boat's painter/contents. I'm assuming the coastguard were aware they were on scene training anyway?

Simon B · 21 January 2010, 13:59

So if the second RIB had gone over presumably their VHF capability would be reduced (assuming someone had a handheld on them) Top marks to Joe Public. You'd be surprised sometimes at what does go on and does not get called in but turns out ok in the end.

Erin · 21 January 2010, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Polwart

However had that been two boats from the sailing club, or a training school there would have been some comment made about "an early call to the coastguard enables us to prepare and deploy resources".

I wouldn't disagree. But there is a tendancy these days for people to rely far too heavily on the attitude 'it doesn't matter someone will come an resue me if I get in trouble'. Not being there at the time and not knowing the conditions, it's impossible to make a judgement on this particular case. However, all I was saying, is that just because a boat or people get into a difficulty, it doesn't mean the RNLI are the only people who can sort it out. They may weel have had some very experienced crew on the other vessel. I'm not saying this facetiously either, I've been in the situation of putting out a panpan with an engine failure in the middle of the Ecrehoes.

neilda · 21 January 2010, 16:14

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Originally Posted by spartacus

.......for example the boat's propeller could have become fouled from the overturned boat's painter/contents.

Yikes. That's the sort of comment that makes me realise how hideously inexperienced I am. I would never think to worry about the upturned boats ropes/warp.

fred bolton · 21 January 2010, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Its interesting that if that had been 2 boats on here the MCGA press release would almost certainly have specifically criticised them for not putting out a VHF distress call... ...was there no criticism because it was another emergency service?

Yeah dead right but as these guys don't "do" you for speeding I can turn a blind eye

Poly · 21 January 2010, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Erin

I wouldn't disagree. But there is a tendancy these days for people to rely far too heavily on the attitude 'it doesn't matter someone will come an resue me if I get in trouble'. Not being there at the time and not knowing the conditions, it's impossible to make a judgement on this particular case. However, all I was saying, is that just because a boat or people get into a difficulty, it doesn't mean the RNLI are the only people who can sort it out. They may weel have had some very experienced crew on the other vessel. I'm not saying this facetiously either, I've been in the situation of putting out a panpan with an engine failure in the middle of the Ecrehoes.

Erin - I am in agreement with you. I'm not suggesting they did anything wrong - just that it seems to be standard practice for MCGA press office to 'complain' about not being called in directly when a problem occurs. My observation was more about the way the MCGA press office usually write press releases - with a slightly patronising tone that actually makes me feel the CG are less approachable and full of their own importance than the purpose which is presumably to encourage me to contact them.

However even if they weren't required (and the RNLI did recover the boat, so were at least useful) it would have been sensible to call them to tell them the situation was under control to avoid resources being deployed unnecessarily, if as happened, a 3rd party relayed the situation.

chewy · 21 January 2010, 20:49

I think it depends on how often you deal with the CG, obviously I speak to Humber most weeks via VHF and know a few lads from the local units.
I'm quite happy to ring or shout them on the VHF if I have the slightest bit of trouble but then the odds are it would be the boat I'm on that would come and get me.

Sonar · 22 January 2010, 08:02

Maybe a call on the VHS to the C.G informing them what was going on at that time .

And assistance was NOT required would have sorted the whole situation out right from the start.