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29 July 2015, 20:50
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Boat name: IMOGEN
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Steering Dilemma.
So after fitting a new A- Frame, LED nav lights and Metz aerial and a couple of new wing-backs I wanted to fit hydraulic steering ( Baystar ) on Imogen but after hadd pointed out to me that the steering wheel would have to come out an extra 6 cm there would be very little room for me to sit.
So if I can't have hydraulic which is the best cable steering I can get ?? appreciate your thoughts and advice on this thanks...
a couple of pics...
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29 July 2015, 21:28
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Hi Kerny
Why not have a stainless steel or aluminium "Sinker Pot" made up, to sink the hydraulic pump head in to the dash? This would have a flange with a ring of bolts to secure it to the console. The pump head could then just be bolted in to it. My business could make you this quite easily if you have a specific pump in mind. I'm guessing you're looking at one of the seastar pumps?
See attached concept drawings I've just put together..
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29 July 2015, 22:09
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For being quite a nice idea and a nifty set of drawings I'll keep willk locked up to stop him chasing you for trade membership!
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29 July 2015, 22:21
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seastar already sell a similar recess adapter (they sell a baystar edition i think), i don't know how much that shiny alum one would be but the seastar part is about 90 quid. i have never looked into the baystar option.
you can also just buy a rear mount kit right off the bat if you prefer-
http://www.seastarsolutions.com/prod...ar-mount-helm/
cheers
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29 July 2015, 23:20
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The newer Baystar helm is just a rebadged Seastar 1.7 helm so the Seastar recess kit will fit the baystar fine.
I have had Seastar and Baystar for years in all my boats and wouldn't want a boat without nowadays.
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30 July 2015, 09:13
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Kerny
What a Class looking A Frame. Is that frame made up from bending a straight section of pipe or by welding in the bends? I think I would struggle to get that type of work done this side of the pond. Is it very heavy?
TSM
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30 July 2015, 10:57
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Ivor, thanks for that and if you can do it cheaper than Seastar / Baystar
I would be interested :thumbup:
Xk59D, thanks for the links and at least now I know that I can still fit a hydraulic system
Phantom, thanks for the clarification :thumbup:
TSM, thanks and yes all done by bending straight pipe, only welding is on the side bars and plates .and at a guess I would say that it weighs about 10 stone at least :thumbup:
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30 July 2015, 12:50
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Originally Posted by two stroke mick
I think I would struggle to get that type of work done this side of the pond.
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1. Crana Engineering, Buncrana
2. "Steely" Steve c/o Redbay Boats
3. GNG - Cushendall
...and I wasn't even looking
All absolutely top quality work - none of it cheap.
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30 July 2015, 13:34
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Thats up North. Down here they tend to take the lazy option and use pre fabricated bends to achieve the required angles. As you can imagine this is not as strong as the bending of pipes
TSM
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30 July 2015, 14:33
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Thats up North. Down here they tend to take the lazy option and use pre fabricated bends to achieve the required angles. As you can imagine this is not as strong as the bending of pipes
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That's a bit too much of a Generalisation...and certainly not true of the A-Frame makers I know this way... Who are amongst the very best anywhere!
At one SS fabricator local to me I recently saw a bespoke 100% handmade cradle/dolly for making/fabricating Alloy Hulls!...i.e an EXACT copy of a widely known proven 7m Fibre glass Hull ....of which several have been produced for the defence industry.
Can you imagine the tolerences and precision that requires?
Compared to that an A-frame...ANY A-frame is a complete Doddle !
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30 July 2015, 15:18
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Thats up North.
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Someone needs a wee refresher in Geography: Buncrana
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30 July 2015, 21:40
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The newer Baystar helm is just a rebadged Seastar 1.7 helm so the Seastar recess kit will fit the baystar fine.
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Thats good news, but guess the Baystar helm still is 1.4 cu inch, so at least there is a difference in turns lock to lock to the Seastar 1.7?
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30 July 2015, 22:00
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Originally Posted by ivorandrews
Hi Kerny
Why not have a stainless steel or aluminium "Sinker Pot" made up, to sink the hydraulic pump head in to the dash? This would have a flange with a ring of bolts to secure it to the console. The pump head could then just be bolted in to it. My business could make you this quite easily if you have a specific pump in mind. I'm guessing you're looking at one of the seastar pumps?
See attached concept drawings I've just put together..
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Hi how much would one of these SS sinker pot cost to make for the bay star helm pump?
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30 July 2015, 22:12
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how much room do you need Steve, baystar helm fits fine on my SR4 with plenty of room, but guess I'm a tad more slender than you
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30 July 2015, 22:16
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even standing there's loads of room
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30 July 2015, 22:40
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Nice Mr c in that black slimming gear I can barely see you 😄👍 sr4 looks well good
Sent from my iPad using my finger
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30 July 2015, 22:51
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I'm almost down to heavyweight now Neil
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30 July 2015, 23:02
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how much room do you need Steve, baystar helm fits fine on my SR4 with plenty of room, but guess I'm a tad more slender than you
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. Looks like you're dash isn't as steep as mine Chris so your steering wheel points more skywards as mine points more towards my belly SR4 looks great btw :thumbup:
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31 July 2015, 07:34
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. Looks like you're dash isn't as steep as mine Chris so your steering wheel points more skywards as mine points more towards my belly SR4 looks great btw :thumbup:
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best get yourself a SR4 Steve, more smiles per miles
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