storing rib

603doug · 01 June 2008, 02:15

My engine is not worth repair so I want to put the boat up for the near future (Got to many places $10000 can go before an new engine). My tubes can be removed pretty easy so what is the best way to protect them from drying out etc (hyplon).

codprawn · 01 June 2008, 03:24

I would say something like armourall and make sure you keep them out of sunlight and where rats can't eat them.

Hope you get a new engine soon!!!

prairie tuber · 01 June 2008, 05:17

DO NOT USE ARMORALL ON HYPALON (OR PVC) !!!

Armorall contains silicone which degrades hypalon tubes.

Use something appropriate for hypalon such as 303 Aerospace Protectant.

Limey Linda · 01 June 2008, 05:46

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Originally Posted by prairie tuber

DO NOT USE ARMORALL ON HYPALON (OR PVC) !!!

Armorall contains silicone which degrades hypalon tubes.

Use something appropriate for hypalon such as 303 Aerospace Protectant.

Sorry you must be wrong coz Codders said it was OK.

prairie tuber · 01 June 2008, 06:57

codprawn · 01 June 2008, 15:14

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Originally Posted by prairie tuber

DO NOT USE ARMORALL ON HYPALON (OR PVC) !!!

Armorall contains silicone which degrades hypalon tubes.

Use something appropriate for hypalon such as 303 Aerospace Protectant.

Silicone oil seems fine for Hypalon

http://www.robinsonrubber.com/pdfs/HypalonRubber.pdf

In fact silicone is used extensively in the rubber and plastic moulding business as a mould release agent.

I have used both Armourall and 303 - there seems to be no difference to me except price.

I have a very old inflatable dinghy(circa1970) which is made from hypalon and doesn't seem to have suffered from having armourall sprayed all over it!!!

I bought a gallon of 303 at a silly price - yes it makes the RIB look nice but you have to apply it at least once a month - usually more often. I am going to use the floor sealer next!!!

I suspect 303 are great at putting out scare stories to make their product "essential".................

Mollers · 01 June 2008, 15:32

I use 303, it looks nice and shiny, but makes the tubes as slippery as billiow.

John Kennett · 02 June 2008, 08:25

Possibly not the best choice if you need to step on the tubes to go forward of the console!

John

Nasher · 02 June 2008, 12:51

I believed the issue with using Silicone based products on tubes was that it would be hard to glue anything down to them afterwards - ie a patch.

Nasher

codprawn · 02 June 2008, 13:03

Yes it is but I am certain NOTHING will stick to a tube when 303 has been applied either - a quick wipe with toluene will remove anything!!!

The stuff like 303 does not last long - a month if you are lucky.

prairie tuber · 02 June 2008, 16:22

Silicone deteriorates hypalon adhesives and also makes it virtually impossible to do repairs on tubes that have had silicone based products applied to them.

http://www.jpwinc.com/repglue.html

http://www.seabrightmarine.ca/FAQ.html

Recommending to someone to apply armorall to their inflatable boat tubes is just plain wrong and irresponsible given how expensive tubes are! For those who still aren't sure about this, google 'armorall inflatable boat'

Limey Linda · 02 June 2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by prairie tuber

Silicone deteriorates hypalon adhesives and also makes it virtually impossible to do repairs on tubes that have had silicone based products applied to them.

http://www.jpwinc.com/repglue.html

http://www.seabrightmarine.ca/FAQ.html

Recommending to someone to apply armorall to their inflatable boat tubes is just plain wrong and irresponsible given how expensive tubes are! For those who still aren't sure about this, google 'armorall inflatable boat'

I did the same research you have done. Yes, I agree.
I guess the google man did not google

codprawn · 02 June 2008, 17:09

I see that the makers of 303 have a most effective advertising campaign...........

To glue a tube you abrade it and use thinners or similar solvent first - you would do this wether you used 303 or Armourall or any other similar product.

codprawn · 02 June 2008, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Limey Linda

I did the same research you have done. Yes, I agree.
I guess the google man did not google

Obviously not hard enough - do you realise that water based silicone emulsions(like armorall)are actually used in the manufacture of Hypalon?

Limey Linda · 02 June 2008, 17:39

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Obviously not hard enough - do you realise that water based silicone emulsions(like armorall)are actually used in the manufacture of Hypalon?

Good, expected come back Codders. Oh, BTW, I am just about to go out and buy 2 Calor gas tanks, with no dip tube, and install them below deck and drill a hole in the bottom of my boat.

prairie tuber · 02 June 2008, 17:45

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I see that the makers of 303 have a most effective advertising campaign...........

To glue a tube you abrade it and use thinners or similar solvent first - you would do this wether you used 303 or Armourall or any other similar product.

Abrading the area and wiping with MEK or Toluene is standard prep for any hypalon gluing whether or not it has had 303 applied to it.

How many hypalon patches have you so far glued to your armorall coated tubes?

If you want to apply armorall to your tubes, have at it - knock yourself out! But to recommend it to others, with all of the omniscience and influence that goes along with being the RIB.net Post King (TM), when virtually all inflatable boat manufacturers recommend against it, is simply wrong.

codprawn · 02 June 2008, 21:33

I was mearly speaking from experience of having an ancient inflatable from the late 60s or early 70s - it has had armorall or similar applied many times in the past and is still fine - tucked away in the attic.

I have bought 303 and used it - really can't see any difference except for price.

Most people would say it's crazy to use a sealer used on quarry floor tiles but it works wonders from what I have heard!!!

Nick Hearne · 04 June 2008, 09:25

Silicone is horrible stuff, in my trade (furniture) it has ruin so many table tops over the years! It was always added to things like Mr shine & the build up of silicone over time ruined the finish & when you stripped & repolished the furniture it can still react with the new polish making it blister!!
If stripping' sanding & repolishing dose not remove it I don't think a bit of toluene will either!
Silicone best used for one thing Tits!

prairie tuber · 04 June 2008, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

Silicone best used for one thing Tits!

Wouldn't that make them awfully slippery? I'm not sure that I'm clear on the concept here. Do you have any pictures that would help me understand?

Nick Hearne · 04 June 2008, 14:23

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Originally Posted by prairie tuber

Wouldn't that make them awfully slippery? I'm not sure that I'm clear on the concept here. Do you have any pictures that would help me understand?

I was thinking along the lines of implants, but I do like your idea!