toob Quality warrantee

bedajim · 13 June 2008, 14:50

I've read some threads where toob quality & warrantee have been discussed my toobs are 18 months old and I have no problems (made by Eurocraft supplied by Osprey 5 year warrantee) looked after by me, but I’m just wondering what the warrantee periods are from other suppliers manufactures .
I assume that hypalon toobs would have a better warrantee than other materials but am not sure, is there a standard etc

Jim

Locozodiac · 13 June 2008, 18:02

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Originally Posted by bedajim

I've read some threads where toob quality & warrantee have been discussed my toobs are 18 months old and I have no problems (made by Eurocraft supplied by Osprey 5 year warrantee) looked after by me, but I’m just wondering what the warrantee periods are from other suppliers manufactures .
I assume that hypalon toobs would have a better warrantee than other materials but am not sure, is there a standard etc

Jim

The market/brand standard is 5 yeas for PVC and 10 years for Dupont Hypalon fabrics.

Hightower · 13 June 2008, 18:10

I figured (although I was never told) that one would get the longer warrantee from the suppliers of the materials that one from the tube manufacturers.

Now I think this is wrong and that longer Warrantee periods from the manufacturers should be given, but if I had tube failier within say 5 years and it was a pure manufacturing problem then I'd be knocking (very loudly) at someones door. Certainly "not fit for purpose" would be on my mind (as well as a few other things), would probably end up in court.

So what about the boat then?.....Engines are clear cut, but hulls? Again, I was only told that if I had a problem I was to ring it though and it would get sorted. This might be true if something went wrong within a year, but what after this time?

paul tilley · 13 June 2008, 21:38

so who gives 5yrs on pvc ? and 10 yrs on hypalon ,i thought aerazur and pennel both give 5yrs on their hypalon ?

jwalker · 13 June 2008, 22:02

My Bombard inflatable (Zodiac) had a 5 year on PVC. I kept it nearly that long and there was no visible deterioration when it left me. It lived outside.

Locozodiac · 13 June 2008, 22:42

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Originally Posted by paul tilley

so who gives 5yrs on pvc ? and 10 yrs on hypalon ,i thought aerazur and pennel both give 5yrs on their hypalon ?

Almost every brand manufacturer does, don't know about for dealers or resellers, typically 3 years on seams/5 for PVC fabrics (Quicksilver, Sea Eagle). Some brands using Dupont hypalon layer like Orca fabrics gives 5 years, Avon gives 10, Both materials if treated with care will last double/triple years.

Happy Boating

Hightower · 14 June 2008, 02:09

Paul, how many years Garantee do you give your toobs from a manufacter point of view?

prairie tuber · 14 June 2008, 03:34

It is important to distinguish what is being warrantied and who is warrantying it. A RIB/SIB manufacturer may have either the same, or a different warranty period for their workmanship (eg seam gluing or welding) than they do for tube materials. Also a RIB/SIB manufacturer may also provide a longer warranty period for the tube materials than what their tube fabric supplier warranties the material for. Warraties on the same product may also differ depending whether they are being used commercially (typically shorter) or recreationally (typically longer).

paul tilley · 14 June 2008, 10:05

i dont think orca is dupont hypalon ,sea eagle give 3yr according to their web site .i give 2yrs on workmanship and pennel give 5yr on chlorosulfonated polyethylene materials (generic version of dupont hypalon ) quicksiver give 5yr prorated warrenty on pvc

prairie tuber · 14 June 2008, 15:32

Paul,

You've probably seen virtually every tube fabric known to man in various conditions, so
I find it reassuring is that you choose to use Orca hypalon (my boat has Orca 866). According to this site, Orca uses Dupont hypalon - how accurate that is, I can't know for certain. I believe Dupont owns the rights to the name 'hypalon' as well, because whenever the fabric manufaturers mention 'hypalon', there is almost always a 'TM' attached to it.

http://www.nrsweb.com/inflatables/nrsinflatables.asp

Locozodiac · 14 June 2008, 18:37

Just a comment: PVC sib/ribs manufacturers usually gives 3 yeras warranty on tube seams and 5 on fabrics, that doesn't mean that resellers like Quicksilver, Sea Eagle just to mention 2 will give the same to their customers, term & mode warranties issues are up to them. In my case, only give 2 years for seams & fabric as long clients respects and follow all the technical issues recommended/implied on my waranty sheet that is delivered along with the sib .

Usually stay with a copy sign by them having received this info. Boaters down here are a lot careless about inflatables, their problem, not mine. But my manufacturer warrants my boats for 3 and 5 respectly. The warranty also changes if used recreationally or comercially. Anyway sib/ribs boats correctly used and taken care of should exceed manufacturers warranties, including your boat life expectation.

About Orca Hypalon, they seem to use Dupont brand for their outter coat/layer on their Orca fabrics, the inner layers must be of their own manufacturing process. Hypalon is employed in many home/industrial applications.

Happy Boating

paul tilley · 15 June 2008, 09:40

prarie tuber according to the pennel spec sheets the orca fabric is coated internally with polychloroprene (neoprene) and externally with a layer of polychloroprene (neoprene) and a layer of chlorosulfonated polyethylene or CSM (the proper name for the product dupont call hypalon ) .hypalon is a name owned by dupont and is what they call their chlorosulfonated polyethylene just as pennel call theirs orca with the hope that one day people will use the name orca instead of hypalon as duponts product gets to expensive to use .none of the pennel spec sheets metions hypalon as they no longer use it .

dverstege · 15 September 2008, 20:53

PVC must have come a long ways for zodiac and others to use.

ian parkes · 16 September 2008, 00:12

Youi got me looking at the warranty of my boat now it says --

A. Hull fabric is covered by a 5 year warranty against cracking, porosity and rot.
B. Hull seams are covered against delaminating by a limited 5 year warranty

Iam not sure the warranty would be the same for tubes made from offcuts of jigsaw puzzles

bedajim · 16 September 2008, 05:56

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Originally Posted by ian parkes

Youi got me looking at the warranty of my boat now it says --

A. Hull fabric is covered by a 5 year warranty against cracking, porosity and rot.
B. Hull seams are covered against delaminating by a limited 5 year warranty

Iam not sure the warranty would be the same for tubes made from offcuts of jigsaw puzzles

I think seams 1 year and fabric 5 years

Ian M · 16 September 2008, 15:58

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Originally Posted by bedajim

I think seams 1 year and fabric 5 years

Yes, that is what Eurocraft (via Osprey) told me. I think all tube manufacturers offer similar warranty periods on seams and fabric - what is the issue with seams

ian parkes · 16 September 2008, 18:12

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Originally Posted by bedajim

I think seams 1 year and fabric 5 years

Oh dam could a puzzle for the lifeboat then

yours is over a year old innnit.

bedajim · 16 September 2008, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Ian M

Yes, that is what Eurocraft (via Osprey) told me. I think all tube manufacturers offer similar warranty periods on seams and fabric - what is the issue with seams

They say it's the glue that doesn't have the warranty not the workmanship or the fabric

bedajim · 16 September 2008, 20:56

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Originally Posted by ian parkes

Oh dam could a puzzle for the lifeboat then

yours is over a year old innnit.

No problems with mine

Is that why you change yours every 6 months

ian parkes · 16 September 2008, 21:02

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Originally Posted by bedajim

No problems with mine

Is that why you change yours every 6 months

Yes I even tried one with no tubes but that was no good iether . so i got one of the disposable models now , bit like a tesco carier bag