Tragedy at Padstow - 5 May 2013

[mick]

There is a guy on disco 3 who works on padstow harbour although he can't say much its looking like the kill cord
As for the steering theory I got round Anglesey with a leaking ram but it wasn't a problem it either works or it don't
Looking at the video you can't see anyone in the water thought you may have seen some LJ From a distance

[simsy]

Kill cord cannot be the initial cause of an accident.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by mick

... its looking like the kill cord.

In which respect?

[Lee argyle]

Originally Posted by 1978SeaRider

I think an antiquated lanyard system is partly to blame... it's 2013, a new engine will costs you best part of 15k, yet we still rely on a piece of orange string clipped to your life jacket !?

My phone can turn my heating on from my office, yet the big 5 Engine companies cant make a simple wireless lanyard system as standard ? Keyless entry on a Ford Fiesta which costs less than my boat comes as standard.

Start blaming the multi-million pound companies that build the engines, not the poor sods that forget to clip on a calm day. Chucking a key fob in your pocket would take 5 seconds, you could still dock, pick up a diver, help a waterskier and wonder around the boat... but when the sh*t hits the fan and you fall out the boat stops - Rocket Science it aint.

Just my 2p.

If people are neglecting / forgetting to attach kill cords, would a wireless fob that could be chucked under a seat and the engine run without issue be any better?? Not sure myself. I docked my boat solo over the weekend and removed my KC at the last minute to sort the lines etc, no choice. As pointed out previously education is the key.

[Crusher]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Air in hydraulic steering wouldn't cause a sudden failure -

Last paragraph at the bottom of page 24 of the MIAB report would conclude a different outcome......

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources...l%20report.pdf

Only a surmise , but is it possible a new (ish?) rib could have had a minor hyd oil leak and caused a similar unexpected engine movement??

[mick]

Originally Posted by Mollers

In which respect?

Read the thread on disco3 fella and you may find out

[Rogue Wave]

Originally Posted by PGIC

One early BBC news report said the "jumper" threw a rope in front of the boat and partially fouled the prop before he jumped in. That may or may not be true. If it is, it could account for the slower speed.

gary
PropellerSafety.com

I applaud that action makes a lot of sense

[BogMonster]

Originally Posted by Lee argyle

If people are neglecting / forgetting to attach kill cords, would a wireless fob that could be chucked under a seat and the engine run without issue be any better?? Not sure myself. I docked my boat solo over the weekend and removed my KC at the last minute to sort the lines etc, no choice. As pointed out previously education is the key.

Yup, that is the most likely outcome, though I would like the idea of a wireless system myself.

[biffer]

I looked through the post and I'm sure that this will be familiar with a lot of you, removing the kill cord running up the front to get hold of a pontoon mooring cleat, hanging on to the pontoon trying to work out how to get to the front or back line before the tide takes you away from the dock, put a small mooring line at the helm, once you flick it over a dock cleat you have all the time in the world, sorry for the hijacking, just trying to make it all safer

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

I applaud that action makes a lot of sense

Very very sad event. My thoughts go out to all those involved.

As Stuart said, top marks to the "jumper" his quick thinking and actions have without doubt made a difference e in this tragic story. The gentleman appears to be extremely humble and measured and has refused to make a deal of his actions, he should be applauded for his actions and the way he has conducted himself afterwards in the interest in not causing any further trauma to those concerned.

I hope he has a warm feeling that despite the tragic circumstances he found himself in, he was a true hero and has since conducted himself in a manner that is of a true gentleman.

[chris.moody]

Originally Posted by biffer

I looked through the post and I'm sure that this will be familiar with a lot of you, removing the kill cord running up the front to get hold of a pontoon mooring cleat, hanging on to the pontoon trying to work out how to get to the front or back line before the tide takes you away from the dock, put a small mooring line at the helm, once you flick it over a dock cleat you have all the time in the world, sorry for the hijacking, just trying to make it all safer

+1

I use this method all the time and it works really well

[boristhebold]

This site is worth a look through, details injuries by prop and some technology inventions. Mostly US based.

Propeller Guard Information Center

[PGIC]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

This site is worth a look through, details injuries by prop and some technology inventions. Mostly US based.

Propeller Guard Information Center

That's us, thanks for the link. Yes, we are mostly U.S. based but do cover accidents and propeller safety news worldwide. We have a special focus on Australia where there have been many developments in recent years, plus we also try to keep a close eye on the UK with several recent events there.

gary
propellersafety.com

[Oscarguitar]

Originally Posted by boristhebold

This site is worth a look through, details injuries by prop and some technology inventions. Mostly US based.

Propeller Guard Information Center

This poster/site didn't get a very positive reception on THT

Propeller injuries, deaths and Prop guards - The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum

They (THT) seemed to think PGIC, as a first post, was either trolling for sales or looking to build a legal case against a boat manufacturer who's boat was involved in a recent accident. Useful the have the information, and could be quite genuine, time will tell I suppose.

As usual on THT the discussion descended into the depths with little/no conclusion...

[Mosstrooper]

its a terrible tradegy. i feel gutted that a young girl died needlessly. but its no different from all those horrible road deaths due to people who cant be bothered getin a hands free mobile. people are dying every day cos they cant be bothered. in this case it may be due to not bothering with kill cord. its human nature. but you cant legislate against stupidty so i do not agree that we should have loads of new legislation or rules.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Oscarguitar

This poster/site didn't get a very positive reception on THT

Propeller injuries, deaths and Prop guards - The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum

They (THT) seemed to think PGIC, as a first post, was either trolling for sales or looking to build a legal case against a boat manufacturer who's boat was involved in a recent accident. Useful the have the information, and could be quite genuine, time will tell I suppose.

As usual on THT the discussion descended into the depths with little/no conclusion...

You must be mistaken - nobody ever comes on RIBnet to promote their business interests unless they join as a trade member

[starclubbie]

Hi we are new to boating with a sib and 5 hp 2 stroke Yamaha outboard this is an older engine doesn't seem to have a kill cord do all engines have these and if so how are they fitted any information on this would be most welcome.
Thanks Sue & John

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by starclubbie

Hi we are new to boating with a sib and 5 hp 2 stroke Yamaha outboard this is an older engine doesn't seem to have a kill cord do all engines have these and if so how are they fitted any information on this would be most welcome.
Thanks Sue & John

Do you have a stop button? It's quite easy to replace the stop switch with a kill lanyard switch.

[Mollers]

Currently working near Padstow. It's thought that, the Wife was at the wheel with youngest on her lap turning figures of eight.
Apparently, they'd only owned the boat for two weeks.

[Nos4r2]

Oh god.