Tube cleaning - Page 2

John Kennett · 10 September 2010, 23:33

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Originally Posted by BeetleBug

This is my personal experience and I felt like sharing it with the rest of you so that you do not do the same mistake as me. What would you guys do next?

From what I can see I certainly wouldn't say that the tubes have been ruined. It's difficult to judge properly from photos, but any damage seems to be very superficial. You may know it's there, but would anyone else actually notice?

I'm sure that it is annoying, but I don't really know what you're trying to achieve. You clearly look after your RIB very carefully, but you didn't do a test patch first. We all know that this is sensible, but I guess most of us don't generally bother which does make us at least part responsible if there's a problem.

I don't mind you asking here to see if there's a general problem with the RIB shop stuff. If loads of people came forward to say they've had problems then you might have a case. That hasn't happened though, and now you're just using the site as a stick to beat RIBshop with which is unlikely to be very helpful.

Maybe someone independent like Henshaws or Paul Tilley would like to comment, either here or by PM?

jonmitch · 11 September 2010, 08:28

No, I'd agree. Those tubes and probably the boat are definitely ruined. With that amount of damage I doubt it will even float.

Neil Harvey · 11 September 2010, 14:05

hmmm...

In have also had this problem, and have scratched my tubes in a few small areas, trying to get rid of some particularly stubborn marks. Not too happy about that, but definitely my fault, although i did not ask Ribshop if using the green scourers should be OK. On the last clean, I stuck to using a sponge, and now I know the white scourers from supermarket might be best for those tough spots thanks to this thread.

Even though she has some scratches, I would most definitely not classify my tubes as "ruined"

Nos4r2 · 11 September 2010, 14:46

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Originally Posted by jonmitch

No, I'd agree. Those tubes and probably the boat are definitely ruined. With that amount of damage I doubt it will even float.

Yes. So bad, I'll be doing you a favour by taking it off your hands for £150.

BeetleBug · 12 September 2010, 09:47

Thank you for your reply,

You`re right, I know they are there and that is enough for me and as mentioned ealier, the damages are much easier to see than to photo. Annoying yes and my motivation behind this thread is to warn others from doing the same mistake as me. My fault or the pads? I have no doubt in my mind.

If you took you car to a car cleaner and you found the paint scratched/damaged afterwards, what would you do?
The fine thing with a car is that you can quite easily and permanently fix any scratches and this is not the case with my boat.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kennett

From what I can see I certainly wouldn't say that the tubes have been ruined. It's difficult to judge properly from photos, but any damage seems to be very superficial. You may know it's there, but would anyone else actually notice?

I'm sure that it is annoying, but I don't really know what you're trying to achieve. You clearly look after your RIB very carefully, but you didn't do a test patch first. We all know that this is sensible, but I guess most of us don't generally bother which does make us at least part responsible if there's a problem.

I don't mind you asking here to see if there's a general problem with the RIB shop stuff. If loads of people came forward to say they've had problems then you might have a case. That hasn't happened though, and now you're just using the site as a stick to beat RIBshop with which is unlikely to be very helpful.

Maybe someone independent like Henshaws or Paul Tilley would like to comment, either here or by PM?

Poly · 12 September 2010, 10:39

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Originally Posted by BeetleBug

Thank you for your reply,

You`re right, I know they are there and that is enough for me and as mentioned ealier, the damages are much easier to see than to photo. Annoying yes and my motivation behind this thread is to warn others from doing the same mistake as me. My fault or the pads? I have no doubt in my mind.

If you took you car to a car cleaner and you found the paint scratched/damaged afterwards, what would you do?
The fine thing with a car is that you can quite easily and permanently fix any scratches and this is not the case with my boat.

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If I took my car to get valetted and the company damaged it I would be p**sed off and complain until it was made good. However if I bought some cleaning materials and scratched my car myself because I was too aggressive with the materials, or hadn't washed the grit off it first or even if the materials were tougher than similar things I had used before and I hadn't "practiced / tested" first then I'd feel like a bit of a tit - but I wouldn't expect any compensation from the supplier of the goods.

I wonder if a wipe over with some thinners might be enough to "soften" the surface layer and cover over the scratches? - but of course try a small unseen area first

BeetleBug · 12 September 2010, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Polwart

If I took my car to get valetted and the company damaged it I would be p**sed off and complain until it was made good.

So would everyone else I believe. But it was dark and you did not see anything before the next day and the company give you the shoulder.

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Originally Posted by Polwart

However if I bought some cleaning materials and scratched my car myself because I was too aggressive with the materials, or hadn't washed the grit off it first or even if the materials were tougher than similar things I had used before and I hadn't "practiced / tested" first then I'd feel like a bit of a tit - but I wouldn't expect any compensation from the supplier of the goods.

Nice conclusions, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Polwart

I wonder if a wipe over with some thinners might be enough to "soften" the surface layer and cover over the scratches?

Interesting. What thinners would you recommend? Lynol? Acetone?

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Poly · 12 September 2010, 20:51

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Originally Posted by BeetleBug

Interesting. What thinners would you recommend? Lynol? Acetone?

IF it was mine I'd give toluene or Gunwash (used for cleaning out spray paint guns) a try - but definitely in a discrete area first. I don't know if it is possible for that to fix any scratch never mind how deep yours are in real life, but people use it for cleaning really bad tubes and describe the surface as going slightly sticky/tacky afterwards. You'll want to put some protector on it afterwards.

martini · 12 September 2010, 21:03

Hypalon's an extremely hard wearing material, that's why they make ribs out of it. Those scratchy pads wear out in no time when yours scrubbing things so when you pitch the two materials up against each other its no contest surely? So any scratches to the surface of the hypalon must be very superficial, probably just changing the finish from glossy (your tubes look very shiny) to matt. Toluene or acetone should have a good chance to even the surface finish out to a uniform matt which you could then build on again with whatever protectant you use. All just theory of course

Mollers · 12 September 2010, 21:12

I mentioned on one of the many tube cleaning threads, that I went at the Searider with wire wool and gunwash. It requires a little care, but gave a good result.

jambo · 12 September 2010, 22:19

How about some T-cut with alittle elbow greese, on a discrete area first off course!!
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Ian M · 13 September 2010, 12:58

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Originally Posted by BeetleBug

it was dark and you did not see anything before the next day

I'm sorry

You did a major cleaning job on your boat, in the dark, and then wonder why you cocked up???

BeetleBug · 13 September 2010, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Ian M

I'm sorry

You did a major cleaning job on your boat, in the dark, and then wonder why you cocked up???

Read again!

No I didn`t.

1) I did rinse the boat carefully first using a pro pressure washer
2) I used a water hose to keep the tubes wet during the cleaning process
3) I used Rib Revive, like I have done since 2005, and the pads.
4) I did not use excess force
5) I did not see any scratches before after the water dried from the tubes

It was a grey day without sun since I prefer to keep the tubes cool (to avoid water marks and drying chemicals)

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Sprayblond · 13 September 2010, 20:12

Aerospace protectant 303 + microfiber cloth. Takes even the most stubborn spots.

Chris · 13 September 2010, 21:17

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Originally Posted by BeetleBug

Interesting. What thinners would you recommend? Lynol? Acetone?

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I had some scratches like that and used a pad with some of the thinners used for the Hypalon Glue. They came straight out I had some deeper ones too that I got out with a Ribshop pad and some thinners (you might feel a bit windy about trying that of course).

http://www.henshaw.co.uk/default.cfm/loadindex.7

Product - HEN002004

I have used the Ribshop pads and Rib Revive however I should add I would only use it on seriously dulled or dirty tubes it is strong stuff. For normal cleaning then just soap and water followed by some of this (on same page as above)

Product - HEN002089

BeetleBug · 14 September 2010, 07:36

Thank you for your answers, highly appreciated. I will try out the products recommended when spring is here.

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