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26 October 2010, 14:25
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Twin Engines
Hi,
How does twin engines work on the console?
Presumably you need 2 trim tabs, so you can raise and lower each engine independantly.
Do you also have 2 throttles, or just one throttle with 2 ignition keys/buttons/switches?
Yours,
Tom
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26 October 2010, 14:36
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On mine i have 2 of the quicksilver side mounted units so the same as single just with 2 of them, the simpler way.
There are lots of variations, but for most i guess you have to have 2 starting systems, 2 throttle systems and a way of using the trim tilt on each engine.
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26 October 2010, 16:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tompaddock
Hi,
How does twin engines work on the console?
Presumably you need 2 trim tabs, so you can raise and lower each engine independantly.
Do you also have 2 throttles, or just one throttle with 2 ignition keys/buttons/switches?
Yours,
Tom
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Two throttles, that way you can run one astern and one forward to turn on the spot. In fact, even with twin inboards, everything should be duplicated so you don't have a single point of failure, and can therefore get home on one if the other dies. The most vulnerable failure point would be a shared fuel source, obviously then contamination would affect both.
Mind you, with Castoldi jets we don't worry about things like trim tabs
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26 October 2010, 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tompaddock
Presumably you need 2 trim tabs
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Hi Tom,
Trim tabs usually refers to horizontal fins, most larger engines offer a similar facility to "trim" by adjusting the angle of the motor.
And yes, as said, usually two separate systems - two keys, two sets of gauges and so forth.
In fact it is sometimes said that a twin engine installation that does not have total separation (battery and fuel for example) then the value of the double arrangement is much less, ie if one engine dies from a fuel problem and you only have one fuel tank then the 2nd is sure to follow!
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26 October 2010, 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by havener
Two throttles, that way you can run one astern and one forward to turn on the spot. In fact, even with twin inboards, everything should be duplicated so you don't have a single point of failure, and can therefore get home on one if the other dies. The most vulnerable failure point would be a shared fuel source, obviously then contamination would affect both.
Mind you, with Castoldi jets we don't worry about things like trim tabs
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Does this apply even to outboards (RNLI Style)?
T
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26 October 2010, 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malthouse
Trim tabs usually refers to horizontal fins, most larger engines offer a similar facility to "trim" by adjusting the angle of the motor.
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This only applies to outboards.
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26 October 2010, 16:19
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This only applies to outboards.
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Ah, fantastic, thanks.
I'd be interested to see how that works logistically, ie moving both throttles in tandem...
T
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26 October 2010, 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tompaddock
I'd be interested to see how that works logistically, ie moving both throttles in tandem...
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The throttles are usually set up so they are very close and can be operated one-handed, it is not too hard to get them so that the same movement on each takes the engines up the rev range in parallel.
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26 October 2010, 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malthouse
The throttles are usually set up so they are very close and can be operated one-handed, it is not too hard to get them so that the same movement on each takes the engines up the rev range in parallel.
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Cool!
Would still like to play tho :P
Tom
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26 October 2010, 16:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tompaddock
Cool!
Would still like to play tho :P
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Well it says in that box on the left that you have twin 115s
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26 October 2010, 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malthouse
Well it says in that box on the left that you have twin 115s
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Yeah, I'm a student.
The boat exists, but only in my head :P
Tom
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26 October 2010, 16:36
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My comment exists, but I'm gonna keep it in my head
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26 October 2010, 16:39
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my comment exists, but i'm gonna keep it in my head
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lol
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26 October 2010, 18:31
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Thanks for that one, Wilk :P
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26 October 2010, 18:54
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That's not like you!
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26 October 2010, 20:21
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That's not like you!
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"No women, no kids, that's the rules..."
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26 October 2010, 22:00
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That'll be the first time!! Come on, come on you know you want too!!
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27 October 2010, 10:50
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and if we're on the subject of cool stuff you can't afford, some of the really big "fly by wire" outboards will auto synch revs & trim so the subtle differences in lever / trim switch movement are ironed out.
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27 October 2010, 11:09
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and if we're on the subject of cool stuff you can't afford...
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I have got an imaginary amphibious submarine, in red.
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27 October 2010, 11:14
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and if we're on the subject of cool stuff you can't afford
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