Ullswater Idiots, Last weekend

[Phil M]

Anybody recognise this pair of clowns on Ullswater last weekend?



They were seen driving at full speed, performing figure of eights at speed and generally arsing about (the speed limit is 10kts by the way). The Ullswater enforcement boat tried to intercept but were sworn at and driven away from at speed. Sadly the patrol is only good for 20kts. Obviously I've offered to come down and join the chase next time!

Seriously though, if you want to dick about, the sea is really not that far away. Don't put other lake users at risk and don't blatantly insult the people there to enforce the rules.

Phil

[Last Tango]

I can remember someone on Conniston doing over 300MPH !!!

Shamefull

[two stroke mick]

Not a bad looking sea rider by the way

[beamishken]

Ullswater used to be great before they spoiled it with the speed limit I learned to waterski there as a kid until the national park ruined it and Windermere for no good reason.
There on their way to doing the same at loch lomond
It's the death knell for boaters when somewhere gets national park status

[Maximus]

Plenty of sympathy then!

[GuyC]

It's a shame when people do this but it is equally a shame for all those people who enjoyed higher speed boating. They could have made the south of Windermere a 6 knot limit and left the northern part alone.

Maybe they don't need the business but there were a lot of water skiers, jet ski's and sports boat that used Windermere on a regular basis. It's got good facilities and the road into it is also good.

I'm not condoning what they were doing but the lakes are meant to be for all.

[ShinyShoe]

Originally Posted by GuyC

They could have made the south of Windermere a 6 knot limit and left the northern part alone.
..
I'm not condoning what they were doing but the lakes are meant to be for all.

Why? There are sailors, canoers, fisher people etc who all got pi$$ed off by people being dicks in the north of the lake too.

Would you support off road driving on the walker's paths, or motorbike scrambling?

I agree its a shame there isn't some more designated places for people who want to dick about at speed etc away from everyone else. But the reason they introduced restrictions was because general common sense advice seemed to be ignored.

Loch Ness is still an option... ;-)

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Phil M

(the speed limit is 10kts by the way).

its actually 10mph (statute not nautical) which is 8.7 knots

http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publi...-lugandmap.pdf

[Stigomery]

Originally Posted by Poly

its actually 10mph (statute not nautical) which is 8.7 knots

http://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publi...-lugandmap.pdf

I researched this widely Poly before venturing into the lake and every source I could find was knots, not statute. I don’t see statute in your link but I might have missed it?

E.g. Lake Windermere | Lake District Hotels and Information Portal

“However, in March 2000, the Lake District National Park Authority controversially introduced a byelaw setting a 10 knots (12 mph/19 km/h)”

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Stigomery

I researched this widely Poly before venturing into the lake and every source I could find was knots, not statute. I don’t see statute in your link but I might have missed it?

E.g. Lake Windermere | Lake District Hotels and Information Portal

“However, in March 2000, the Lake District National Park Authority controversially introduced a byelaw setting a 10 knots (12 mph/19 km/h)”

In the blue bit on p1 immediately below "if you are boating " and in the purple bottom right on p2. Could be they have their leaflet wrong of course...

But here is the bylaw: http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/__dat..._ullswater.pdf

It says miles per hour -- that implies statute miles to me as it doesn't say knots or nautical miles per hour?

[Stigomery]

Even they don’t know... if you can be bothered to read this:

http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/__dat...ws_annex_2.pdf

[beerbelly]

[QUOTE=ShinyShoe;758890]Why? There are sailors, canoers, fisher people etc who all got pi$$ed off by people being dicks in the north of the lake too.

Would you support off road driving on the walker's paths, or motorbike scrambling?

QUOTE]

yes . why should it be solely for walkers the countryside should be for everyone and don't mention horses there riders don't want motorbikes on there bridleways but you try saying they shouldn't be on a busy road

sorry off topic

[Lee argyle]

Originally Posted by beerbelly

yes . why should it be solely for walkers the countryside should be for everyone and don't mention horses there riders don't want motorbikes on there bridleways but you try saying they shouldn't be on a busy road

sorry off topic

100%, if your responsible in whatever sport / pastime you choose you should not be discriminated against

[Phil M]

Originally Posted by Stigomery

I researched this widely Poly before venturing into the lake and every source I could find was knots, not statute. I don’t see statute in your link but I might have missed it?

E.g. Lake Windermere | Lake District Hotels and Information Portal

“However, in March 2000, the Lake District National Park Authority controversially introduced a byelaw setting a 10 knots (12 mph/19 km/h)”

There are several signs up at the lakeside too. Some say mph, some say kts.

Whether you agree with the speed limit or not, it is there and there was certainly no need for the abuse received by the patrol crew (they are nice blokes!).

Phil M

[Last Tango]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Why? There are sailors, canoers, fisher people etc who all got pi$$ed off by people being dicks in the north of the lake too.

I get annoyed with jet skiers in Loch Lomond, I get annoyed with fishermen leaving line, hooks and lead behind them and trolling a hundred yards of line. but I totally respect they have as much right to be there as I do.

It's a shame that the "pi$$ed off sailors" and "fisher people" seemed to think that enhancement of their pursuit justifies the total exclusion of others from theirs.

One word....selfish.

[rkk01]

I keep bumping into this "tolerance of other sports" thing... :-(

It is about mutual respect and respect for the environment - but unfortunately that tends to rub up the wrong way against "tradition" (read vested interest...?)

I mountain bike - most mtbers / walkers / horse riders get on fine, but some just don't want you there, even if you get off your bike and stand aside.

And don't ever put the words "kayak" and "fisherman" in the same sentence. The issues over river access are totally bonkers...

[ShinyShoe]

I could start with a who was there first argument

But actually - the point would surely be how much each other disrupt each other. And if you do damage to the environment

Dicking about is disruptive to others, creates wake which damages shore lines and introduces risks. Just like a scrambling bike going up a mountain path makes noise, creates risks and damages the path...

...your peers 20 years ago ruined it for you now. Don't defend it then complain you are restricted!!

[jambo]

Chicken and egg spring to mind!![emoji56]

[Last Tango]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

.... would surely be how much each other disrupt each other.

Dicking about is disruptive to others, creates wake which damages shore lines and introduces risks. Just like a scrambling bike going up a mountain path makes noise, creates risks and damages the path...

Yes, sailors dicking about with regattas congesting navigation channels and fishermen leaving lead shot and line that kills wild life and damages gearbox seals certainly is disruptive to others, and the environment.
Regards the wake damaging the banks, perhaps we should ban the wind as the waves that creates are massively bigger and more destructive than the wake from a twelve foot rib. (Simple hydrodynamics.....the faster it goes, the less water it displaces hence the less wake it produces.)
Thankfully the authorities at Loch Lomond recognised the stupidity and economic damage caused by the blanket speed bans in the Lake District and came up with a reasonable compromise but even with that they have lost a substantial portion of their registrations.

[Pikey Dave]

IMO the lakes aren't the place for fast boats, jet skis et al. I enjoy walking & hiking as much as I enjoy boating, nothing ruins the tranquility of the lakes as much as the sound of a revving outboard or jet ski. We have the whole of the sea to play in, leave the inland stuff to the dinghy sailors, kayakers & fishermen. Personally, freshwater bodies have limited appeal anyway.
Like I said, IMO