Venturers Search and Rescue

[Matt-V-SAR]

[quote=yoyo;229921]

Originally Posted by The Grocer

There's a lassie over here who, apart from having 3 day jobs, is also a retained fireperson, a Coastguard, a Special Constable and a Heartstart volunteer.


That’s one clever border colly.

[The Grocer]

Originally Posted by yoyo

That’s one clever border colly.

Groan...

[Tomas]

I sure hope I never run afoul in your local waters. It appears that were I to survive the incident I'd surely be killed in the battle to save what's left of me.

After reading this whole thread I'm struck by the cultural differences that exist in this world. None of this would ever even occur in the world I know. It is strange and fascinating all at the same time!

[Limey Linda]

Originally Posted by Tomas

I sure hope I never run afoul in your local waters. It appears that were I to survive the incident I'd surely be killed in the battle to save what's left of me.

After reading this whole thread I'm struck by the cultural differences that exist in this world. None of this would ever even occur in the world I know. It is strange and fascinating all at the same time!

I agree totally and it is unfortunate that certain people seem to think they have a monopoly on help others just because they have certain "qualifications'. However, I do not think, in general, this is a cultural issue but rather an isolated example of a couple of guys (Matt and Tiffy excluded) who got carried away and behaved poorly.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Tomas

I sure hope I never run afoul in your local waters. It appears that were I to survive the incident I'd surely be killed in the battle to save what's left of me.

After reading this whole thread I'm struck by the cultural differences that exist in this world. None of this would ever even occur in the world I know. It is strange and fascinating all at the same time!

Yes I imagine that if you were unlucky enough to fall out of your boat in the solent you would surface only to find numerous large RIBS bearing down on you at great speed with slavering rescue crews hanging over the side boat hooks dripping in blood at the ready.

times like this I wish I was a cartoonist

[Rogue Wave]

Originally Posted by Chris

times like this I wish I was a cartonist

Why d'you have a desire to make packaging?

[Carl]

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

Why d'you have a desire to make packaging?

Yes its been my life long ambition.

[timw]

Originally Posted by Tiffy

That took a lot of hard work and dedication over 4 years.

I bowled over by YOUR 40 years of hard work and dedication.

[Tiffy]

[QUOTE=Simon Hawkins;229379] Tiffy. I am not going to get into a tit for tat battle with you on this subject, but for your information we have 4 Advanced Powerboat Instructors, A Boatmaster, A Master of Trinity House Vessell Alert, and a watch officer from P & O, who holds his MCA fast rescue craft certificate. With regards to kit to use we have a good relationship with IYWAC and Hampshire Police marine section, so can use there equipment, plus have various other types of larger vessels we can get out hands on.

As I have said previously I think that you do a good job in educating minors, and keeping them off the streets, and your crews are dedicated. If problems are being illustrated to you on this forum then it may be an area that needs
addressing within your organisation. Cowes Inshore Lifeboat has had its problems in the past, but these have nearly all been sorted, via training, and discussions with those people who are responsible for the errors to establish where it went wrong and what could be done in the future to prevent.

I agree a MCA Fast Rescue craft is a very professional qualification ; but
the training course is for the fast ribs carried on cruise and many other
ships . It really only concerns handling of the craft , and the recovery
of persons in the water , plus a straight or side tow. It does not cover
how to right a capsized cat with its mast stuck in the mud , sailboards
with or without slats , and the pure recovery techniques of the sort
of problems which are covered in detail by the RYA Safety Boat ,
and IYT Rescue Coxswain . That although you have 4 Advanced Power
Boat Instructors , you do not mention any holding RYA Safety Boat
Qualifications , or instructors on the dicipline


With regards to your piece about using the word "lifeboat" Under the SSRO (solent sea rescue organisation) we are allowed to use this word as are other independents in the Solent area, such as Freshwater, Hamble, Sandown. [/
The SSR0 has no authority for you to call yourself Lifeboat , and if
they consult the RNLI they will be informed that the RNLI prefer independent
rescue organisation do not use Life Boat . To my mind it does cause
confusion in the public , as they think when putting a donation in your
collecting box they are donating to the RNLI.]

[havener]

RNLI prefer independent
rescue organisation do not use Life Boat

Of course they do - they're protected their (already very large) bank balance.

There's no other reason than protection of their income (as they see it).

A boat that saves lives is a lifeboat. End of story.

[Gentiana]

''Of course they do - they're protected their (already very large) bank balance.

There's no other reason than protection of their income (as they see it).

A boat that saves lives is a lifeboat. End of story.''

Now, that's an underhand dig against the RNLI. There are many sound reasons for the RNLI to deter organisations and individuals for 'passing off' as being part of or related to their organisation. Just think about it --
(I would not like people to be pretending to be something that they are not.)

[IL-UK]

and likewise Gentiana we get many people saying they have donated to Independent Lifeboats when they have mistakenly put it in the RNLI colection boxes so works both ways I guess.

A lifeboat is a lifeboat no mater who runs it.

I say support both.......or support your local boat..

All this RNLI vs Independent lifeboat stuff makes me sick both do a role and both do it to their best abilities.

As long as someone is their to pull you out of the brown stuff at the end of the day does it mater who it is.

[havener]

Originally Posted by Gentiana

Now, that's an underhand dig against the RNLI. There are many sound reasons for the RNLI to deter organisations and individuals for 'passing off' as being part of or related to their organisation. Just think about it --
(I would not like people to be pretending to be something that they are not.)

No, wasn't a dig at them at all.

Of course, if fundraising material isn't clear on either side (RNLI or indie) then that should be address so as with all charity collections the public know exactly who they are donating to. And as Steve says, I'm sure the indies lose out just as much as the RNLI.

But the word "lifeboat" isn't a trademark...

My "bank balance" comment was merely a reflection of the fact that in many years of SAR ops and other meetings with the RNLI, their operational side have never discussed it... their fundraising side, on the other hand, mention it regularly.

But I'm totally with you on the passing off issue - all charities these days suffer too much from conmen and bogus collectors.

[Doug Stormforce]

Originally Posted by IL-UK

All this RNLI vs Independent lifeboat stuff makes me sick

Steve

I think if you look more closely at this thread its not RNLI vs independent, its actually 2 independant organisiations against each other.

[Simon Hawkins]

Hi Doug

Hope you are well. I am staying out of this thread now.

Simon

[springtide66]

[IL-UK]

I was meaning about how much the RNLI has etc in the post I followed.

Yes the main thread does seem to be 2 Independent Lifeboats who obviously dont get on, thats life not everyone gets on with everyone..

I also feel airing problems of proffesional organisations in a public forum is not the place to do it though.

[havener]

In a way, it's only natural - think of the example of an indie boat writing off an engine - for some crews, that means a boat off service and a few weeks of fundraising. Then they see their RNLI neighbours in the same plight, and a new engine arrives from stores on the next van.

I didn't say that attitude was right, merely understandable.

The RNLI is a very slick, very professional organisation - all credit to them for that.

What is evident wherever you are though is the dedication of the crews, whatever the type of organisation.

I do think the indies could benefit from forming a national umbrella assocation though - for example, the only maritime representation on the UKSAR structure at Govt level is the RNLI (apart from HMCG).

[Nasher]

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