We've run out!

Fender · 09 April 2021, 08:26

Barrus ( Mercury etc ) are not taking any more new orders for outboards to be delivered in 2021

earliest you'll see a new motor is next year, been told the same by 3 dealers

A yard local to me deal in Honda's and RIB's, they've got 4 boats pre-ordered coming in for this spring ( already late ) and again expecting no new stock on engines and boats till 2022, 'we can't even sell you a 3.5hp - there are none available from our suppliers'

Staycation demand and Covid screwing production I'm assuming

Limecc · 09 April 2021, 08:35

Expect secondhand prices and thefts to skyrocket then.
Somewhat similar with puppy prices and dog thefts.

Matt · 09 April 2021, 09:29

Is covid screwing puppy production too then?

Limecc · 09 April 2021, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Matt

Is covid screwing puppy production too then?

No, high demand is screwing anyone stupid enough to pay £3.5K typical price.

willk · 09 April 2021, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Fender

Staycation demand and Covid screwing production I'm assuming

Hmmmm. Marine engine shortages are a perennial problem. I've encountered issues with put-puts and 300s previously - particularly at the start of the season. I recall one major distributor telling me that "my allocation of large engines is filled for this year". The feeling was that the USA got theirs first and ROW could cry.

Covid has increased the savings in a lot of households, so yes, I expect demand will have increased as well.

ShadowDiver · 09 April 2021, 10:39

The lack of units is a direct result of COVID. Yes, demand is high but this is not why there are no engines. Manufacturers have a lack of component parts from outside suppliers as a direct result of COVID having shut down factories previously. There are huge quantities of outboards on production lines, that cannot be completed because they have no regulator, or coil, or some other small component that should have been on the shelf and ready to be fitted. As factories in the far east are slowly coming back online these problems are resolving but it is not an overnight process. This means that the engine manufacturers will take some time to catch up with the high demand. It is the same in America. Dealers are running low on stocks too. The USA also has a stay-at-home attitude and boating is seeing as much an increase there as in the European market.

Matt · 09 April 2021, 11:06

It is interesting isn't it, where the surges in demand vs supply chain bottlenecks are as a result of all this is.

Limecc · 09 April 2021, 14:43

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It is interesting isn't it, where the surges in demand vs supply chain bottlenecks are as a result of all this is.

At least toilet rolls are in plentiful supply

Salty Pete · 10 April 2021, 01:08

Has the blockage in the Suez been the problem?

Oldman2 · 10 April 2021, 05:50

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Has the blockage in the Suez been the problem?

I'm sure thats not helped as those same ships that were queueing for days will all arrive at ports together and be waiting days to get unloaded.

I think the main problem is JIT. For many years now industry has been relying on parts arriving "just in time" to save a production line from stalling. In a perfect world it is the way to do business, you dont tie up money in parts sat in bins waiting to be called to assembly, but you rely on your suppliers all to be able to supply on demand. Covid destroyed the chain & now everyone is playing catch up.

Jonny white · 10 April 2021, 10:15

No engines till 2022!!! I've heard exactly the same as this off several dealers.

I sold my 40hp mariner within 10 minuets of posting it online, for a couple of hundred more than I posted it as well.

Good point about the just in time manufacturing! As you say works well when everything else is working well

smallribber · 10 April 2021, 10:19

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Originally Posted by Limecc

Expect secondhand prices and thefts to skyrocket then.
Somewhat similar with puppy prices and dog thefts.

Always good to keep positive and not spread alarm and despondency me thinks

lakelandterrier · 10 April 2021, 10:31

Hmm I've a 4stroke 4HP Mariner I hardly ever use only c.30 hours on it....maybe a good time to sell, or maybe even wait a couple of months

Jonny white · 10 April 2021, 10:34

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Originally Posted by lakelandterrier

Hmm I've a 4stroke 4HP Mariner I hardly ever use only c.30 hours on it....maybe a good time to sell, or maybe even wait a couple of months

For sale: Rocking horse shit.

Matt · 10 April 2021, 10:56

I've got one of the last Johnson 5hp 2 stroke motors, it probably has similar time on. Was still the original spark plug, in almost new condition, when I bought it. It had sat on a "shelf" for nearly 20 years after the linkage rod in the gearbox broke in the 2nd season (ie just outside of warranty) and the owner couldn't be bothered to fix it.

Is a good little motor, light, internal & external tanks, FNR gears - but exactly as comments above, I'll be keeping hold of it.

Also happen to have a 1999 mariner 2hp I've just recomissioned too.
That was still on the original impeller! Worked OK, but all the gearbox seals were shot so stripped and rebuilt the bottom end.

Just as enjoyable to work on as the big motor, arguably more because I'm not wrestling with half a tonne of iron, and a lot less £££

lakelandterrier · 10 April 2021, 11:03

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Originally Posted by lakelandterrier

Hmm I've a 4stroke 4HP Mariner I hardly ever use only c.30 hours on it....maybe a good time to sell, or maybe even wait a couple of months

Bur then, If I do want to start using the SIB, I'll have no engine and have to pay even more for one...so may be better to hang onto it

spartacus · 10 April 2021, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Salty Pete

Has the blockage in the Suez been the problem?

Interestingly, I thought the Ever Given would have sailed off into the sunset. Not so, the Egyptians have impounded it the Great Bitter Lake (part of the Suez canal) until they receive compensation reported to be $15m a day, plus expenses of recovery of the ship. No doubt one for the insurers to haggle over.

I'll bet there are a few outboards, or certainly parts on board.

Matt · 10 April 2021, 11:27

Yeah, it's by no means the end of the saga is it. I think I read the total claim is > $1 billion and they won't release the ship until settled?

willk · 10 April 2021, 14:37

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until they receive compensation reported to be $15m a day, plus expenses of recovery of the ship.

6 days worth of tracked digger hire?

Compo - no surprises there IMO, gonna need some spare cash when you're a one trick pony state and the pony goes lame...