what do people think of hard nose ribs??

LeewayComposite · 27 June 2008, 12:07

what do you all think to hard nose ribs??

I am just in the middle of making a plug/mould and thinking of building myself a rib with a hard nose! just wondering if its a good idea or not?

I see scorpion don't offer it as a option anymore..?

BogMonster · 27 June 2008, 12:33

When those two lottery tickets I just put on come up trumps tonight I'll be having a Stormforce 11 so I certainly like the idea on a big effoff dream RIB

Not sure about the idea on a small one though... I think they look a bit "wrong" on an open RIB for some reason.

Go for it and see what happens

Pete7 · 27 June 2008, 12:35

Have several advantages that I can think of.

1. Stops the tubes falling off.

2. Creates a dry storage area in a space that can't be used with all round tubes.

3. Means two tubes instead of one large one. Possible cost saving on tube price with no complicated nose section and 2 or 4 compartments instead of five. Simpler to fit possibly, have tubes sent to you rather than transport hull to darkest Cornwall? Certainly cheaper to repair in the event of major damage.

4. Valves hidden in the hardnose mean cleaner lines.

Pete

simmons0 · 27 June 2008, 12:38

I see them as necessary on a huge rib where the tubes are at risk of being ripped off the bow and a waste of time on a small one where it just makes the ride a bit wetter.

Any chance of some pictures of this plug taking shape? How big is it going to be?
H

paul tilley · 27 June 2008, 15:15

still need minimum of 5 chambers so it would be 3 per side ,only possible to hide 2 out 0f 6 valves in bows and they would be a pain to get to ,end caps would be needed on front end

of tube plus extra chamber so not a great deal cheaper ,the lower price comes from fitting a 5mtr set of tubes to a 6mtr hull ,no real difference in fitting so still have to travel but only to devon not cornwall

Jimmy C · 27 June 2008, 16:40

well i run the 5.0 Osprey with a hard nose and personally think its a good concept.
The bow locker on mine is huge, so i have a small-ish flexible fuel tank and space for anchor and warp.
The hull (deep v) is matched to the hard bow, so unless you stuff it badly, i havn't found it to be any wetter than a lot of other boats.
The tubes do look good as they disappear into the hard nose. I have not had any problems with them. The valves on mine are not hidden away though so easy access.

Jimmy C

Poly · 27 June 2008, 19:41

Lee - what are you thinking of - something like the ospreys where there is quite a round nose on it the same "size" as the tubes, or something more like the big redbays - where is all tapers to a nice fine point?

Paul Beaurain · 27 June 2008, 22:31

Lee - we chose a Redbay because it had a hard nose and other 'offshore' features.
Paul

Julian · 30 June 2008, 12:57

We chose to have a hard nose on our scorpion and as mentioned it helps anti stuffing, another dry locker space which is huge, our wake board used to fit inside etc.

We have had boat with and without a hard nose and we would always now go for a hard nose version.

Cheers

Julian

LeewayComposite · 02 July 2008, 12:39

Many thanks for all the coments... defernatly thinking more on this..

"Polwart" was thinking more along the lines of scorpion and ospray not pointed like the redbay..... Any reason for question??

Julian · 02 July 2008, 12:49

Our nose is quite pointed and curves down to give better vision whilst getting the boat on the plane etc. Its a race design and works very well. It was quite expensive though as a extra

havener · 02 July 2008, 14:48

Not something I'd like from a more commercial / rescue point of view. We often use the soft bow of our rescue ribs for pushing other craft, powering up against walls to get crew on/off, and general work.
Haven't had any probs yet even in some pretty grim conditions, although the tubes are fitted with straps as well.

Poly · 02 July 2008, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeewayComposite

"Polwart" was thinking more along the lines of scorpion and ospray not pointed like the redbay..... Any reason for question??

Mostly just general interest - but also because I think the characteristics must be different - hitting a wave with a big, relatively flat lump of fibreglass or hitting it with a pointed hard lump.

Chris · 16 July 2008, 19:30

I would love one of these Ospreys......

Maybe next time

Alan Priddy · 17 July 2008, 15:01

Make arrangements with Tom at Redbay to go out in one of his hard nose boats on a bad day and you wont think twice about owning a RIB with a tube all the way round again.
Alan P

Davidgriffiths · 18 July 2008, 15:28

Chris

Is that a hardnose Vipermax?

David

houser · 22 July 2008, 14:19

Alan,

Curious about this sparse comment...as I read somewhere on the net you were thinking of ordering a Redbay 11..
Any chance of a bit of more info as to why you write this now?
Just degrees of wet/dry ride or more serious seakeeping and safety issues?
Never been in a Redbay SF 11 but the consensus tend to refer to them as the dogs danglies...and I myself am on the long list of eople who dream of owning one at some point...
thanx
jtm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Priddy

Make arrangements with Tom at Redbay to go out in one of his hard nose boats on a bad day and you wont think twice about owning a RIB with a tube all the way round again.
Alan P

Alan Priddy · 28 July 2008, 08:42

If you are running a big Rib up or down wind in what I would call "Interesting seas" then the tube will not stay attached to the hull. The area of the attachment point is far to small and the entire tube is dependant on a couple of layers of Hyperlon (or such) to hold it all together.

There is a strong case for the tubes not even going as far foreward as the bow if the hull has enough inherit bouyancy to displace water.
I have had talks with Tom about ordering an 11 metre but it is not big enough for what I want to do so we are going to build our own (again)

At the moment I am busy doing the gardening but might go to build later this year.
Alan P

houser · 28 July 2008, 12:52

Thanx for taking the time to reply, appreciate it...
On what I have read about you, "interesting seas" appear to have slightly different meaning in our respective vocabularies...

thanx again though, enjoy the gardening and all the best of luck with the new project!
jtm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Priddy

If you are running a big Rib up or down wind in what I would call "Interesting seas" then the tube will not stay attached to the hull. The area of the attachment point is far to small and the entire tube is dependant on a couple of layers of Hyperlon (or such) to hold it all together.

There is a strong case for the tubes not even going as far foreward as the bow if the hull has enough inherit bouyancy to displace water.
I have had talks with Tom about ordering an 11 metre but it is not big enough for what I want to do so we are going to build our own (again)

At the moment I am busy doing the gardening but might go to build later this year.
Alan P

MarkWildey · 28 July 2008, 13:02

If you stuff a boat with a hard nose it will push through the wave and the force of water carries on until it meets something else, typically a console/screen.

Having had a Scorpion with a hard nose I've replaced two screens when they've been smashed in such a way

Cheaper than replacing tubes though!

Cheers

Mark